Author Topic: How do you feel Tome of Battle has let you down?  (Read 38671 times)

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Re: How do you feel Tome of Battle has let you down?
« Reply #120 on: December 13, 2014, 12:38:13 PM »
Oh I think each have their place and of course in my opinion I'd list them in a different order. I find it interesting that diamond mind's +100 damage strike makes your list. When the ToB came out they complained it was too weak and too plain. Like if you can deal more than 32 damage in a single hit than the x4 strike was better.

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Re: How do you feel Tome of Battle has let you down?
« Reply #121 on: December 13, 2014, 12:51:14 PM »
Oh I think each have their place and of course in my opinion I'd list them in a different order. I find it interesting that diamond mind's +100 damage strike makes your list. When the ToB came out they complained it was too weak and too plain. Like if you can deal more than 32 damage in a single hit than the x4 strike was better.
Iron Heart has the +100 damage strike.  Diamond Mind gives you two full attacks.
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Re: How do you feel Tome of Battle has let you down?
« Reply #122 on: December 13, 2014, 03:23:02 PM »
Geez, I still get those two mixed out. You think I would have fixed that after eight years. >.<

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Re: How do you feel Tome of Battle has let you down?
« Reply #123 on: December 13, 2014, 04:54:29 PM »
I think design wise it's generally assumed you're taking more than one school.  Warblades and Crusaders only learn two 9th level maneuvers.  Only Swordsages get more, but they're designed to be used with multiple schools.  Also, it was a common wish that being able to rebuild the current schools using this system would be retained, and they all have more than 3 maneuvers per level at lower levels.
It's true that current ToB classes are designed to make use of multiple schools, but the proportion of maneuvers that an initiator can know from a given school (within the window that said maneuvers are optimal to learn) is twice as large for 9th level maneuvers.

For example, a crusader learns 1 8th-level maneuver and retrains one maneuver to 8th so he has 2/3 of the total maneuvers available to him. But he gains 2 9th-level maneuvers and retrains 2 maneuvers to 9th, so he has 4/2 of the total maneuvers available to him. I'm only using a single discipline's ideal # of maneuvers known because multiplication is hard, but what this demonstrates is that initiating classes will have twice as many opportunities available to them to pick up 9th-level maneuvers, so it makes sense to me that there be more 9th-level maneuvers instead of less.

The large number of low-level maneuvers makes sense. I forgot classes granted so many at level 1.

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Re: How do you feel Tome of Battle has let you down?
« Reply #124 on: December 17, 2014, 09:37:50 PM »
I has asked Pwime for a Sticky.  As soon as it posts will make a discussion thread for the project.

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Re: How do you feel Tome of Battle has let you down?
« Reply #125 on: December 18, 2014, 10:10:44 AM »
A sticky? o.O

You don't need to sticky a discussion thread in the 3.5 discussion, if you're going to write a bunch of homebrew Maneuvers a subforum over in houserules is probably the way to go. Then sticky your index for organization.

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Re: How do you feel Tome of Battle has let you down?
« Reply #126 on: December 18, 2014, 04:03:04 PM »
subforum is what i meant, sorry

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Re: How do you feel Tome of Battle has let you down?
« Reply #127 on: December 29, 2014, 01:17:18 AM »
http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?board=233.0  and we're live  :D

Alas it's in the wee hours here which means content posting will have to come tomorrow.

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Re: How do you feel Tome of Battle has let you down?
« Reply #128 on: January 02, 2015, 03:36:58 PM »
Some of these maneuvers are woefully underpowered.  BOulder Roll effectively gives you the Improved Overrun Feat temporarily as a 4th Level Power.  wtf