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Im actually an Old school DnD player.....
« on: November 24, 2014, 07:06:03 PM »
I started playing with AD&D and now I prefer my home in 3.5.
Im also a cosplayer that loves Marvels Sabretooth.

Im trying to build a charachter for a new Horror based game Im creating. My stepdaughter loves the Walking Dead and the campaign world will be under the atatck of zombie hordes (Im trying to hook her). Those Hordes will be controlled by vampire overlords then perhaps a Lich at the top tier.

I want to build a lvl 20 NpC thats a Shiter or Weretouched based on my favourite charachter Sabretooth. I was thinking a Razorclaw and Longtooth shifter. As for classes, PrC, feats Im not sure. Im very out of practice. Perhaps a barbarian/ranger build using his natural weapons as his primary attacks?
Im a little lost as to how to make his a viable combatant using his natural weapons etc. I even thought a druid might work and I thought I membered a druid prc that builds off natural weapons rather than wild shape but I cant remember.

Pls help me flush this idea out. He doesnt need to be the strongest guy in the group but Id like him to be viable and terrifying in his primalness.
Thx

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Re: Im actually an Old school DnD player.....
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2014, 09:52:35 PM »
I also thought how could I change the weretiger template to not allow a human or animal form but only have one form, the hybrid.
That would certainly look and feel like Sabretooth. So he would get stats and abilities but not the other forms. What whould the ECL be without the other forms? +2 ecl rather than+3?

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Re: Im actually an Old school DnD player.....
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2014, 11:19:23 PM »
How about an Anthropomorphic Animal?  Savage Species, pages 214-217 (with charts on 216-17).

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Re: Im actually an Old school DnD player.....
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2014, 01:09:55 AM »
Kensai PrC might be good- you pay an xp cost to imbue your weapons, including natural weapons.
Barbarians get a bit of damage reduction, and I think the rage feature is probably good flavor for Creed's bloodlust. d12 HD are also sweet. Taking levels in druid can be good for various buff spells- aspect of the weretiger for example :)
Feral template (SS116) gives some good attacks and fast healing which would also probably be suited to Creed. Probably goes well with your shifter race. Savage Species is definitely your best friend :P

Amulet of Mighty Weapons (MIC) or Necklace of Natural Weapons (SS) both give enhancements to natural weapons. The SS necklace can get expensive pretty fast though.
Beast Claws (SS49) give +1d6 to claw damage, and +2 enhancement.
Getting the fearsome armor enhancement from MIC might be good if you want to go down the intimidation route (there is a better version of it in Drow of the Underdark). The feats Imperious Command, Intimidating Rage and Instantaneous Rage also go towards this.
From Book of Exalted Deeds(116) the Retributive Amulet can be kinda hilarious- +2 sacred ac and when wearer takes damage from natural or hand-held weapon, half that damage is taken by attacker. Not so great against spells, but good in melee.
Belt of Battle and Shirt of the Leech from MIC are both items I've found amusing at times.

There is a feat called Roll With It (SS39) that gives DR and can be taken multiple times. Combat vigor (PHBII) gives fast healing.

Depending on how weapon x program you want to go on the poor npc, there are also grafts. There is a decent list http://www.realmshelps.net/magic/items/grafts.shtml here, and various handbooks around. Healing Blood gives some fast healing. I love grafts, I have a psychotic lizardfolk druid/barbarian who is basically a monstrosity thanks to a DM who has houseruled around some of the limitations.


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Re: Im actually an Old school DnD player.....
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2014, 01:25:57 AM »
The Feral template looks like a good idea.

Anthromorphics just look a tad too animal fotr what Im aiming for but they are very interesting.

razorclaw/longtooth feral/shifter with barbarian and ranger lvls.
That sounds interesting. I do remember the kensai class but I would think as he levels he could get bracers or NA or something like that

Im thinking of having him actually be a demi god of Malar who turned away from his father and in punishment had his memorey wiped.

Is there not a druid class that affects natural weapons? Fot the life of me I cant remember what Im half remembering.

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Re: Im actually an Old school DnD player.....
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2014, 03:04:25 AM »
Nature's Warrior maybe? There are a couple of nature's armament abilities that help natural weapons (Claws of the Grizzly= +3 bonus to natural weapon damage, Nature's Weapon= +1 bonus to attack rolls, attacks are treated as magic weapons to overcome DR)

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Re: Im actually an Old school DnD player.....
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2014, 01:47:36 AM »
Thank you all for your suggestions.
 
I think I have settled on a razorclaw Shifter with the feral template.
He will have d8 claws a high movement, fast healing and NA.
He does have a -6 on his intelligence though.
 
He will go down the barb3/ranger1/warshaper1/were touched master 5 then either more barb or warshaper levels. He will be as close to Sabretooth as I can get him I think while staying completely in the rules.
 
lvl 2 Stats (lvl 1 barb +1 feral template)
str    24
int    8 or 10
wis 16 or 14
dex 16
con 18
cha 10
 
What Im wondering is the stats I have to play with leave me at 8 int and 16 wisdom or 10 int and 14 wis. For flavour I actually think the lower int with a higher wis makes sense but I hate having a -1.
What do you guys think? Also, what alignment do you think suits him? Id like him to be as savage as he can be while still not eager to tear into the fellow players.
 
For feats Im going to go down the shifters pounce tree. It totally suits Sabretooth.

Thanks

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Re: Im actually an Old school DnD player.....
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2014, 07:42:59 AM »
Sounds like a fun dude! :lol They are some lovely stats for a lvl 2
I also hate having any negatives in my stats so I would go for 10int/14wis. But as you said, it is a little less flavorful that way.

As for alignment, definitely on the evil axis...not lawful. I would say neutral evil but it depends on how psychotic you want him to be, and how you see the alignments? To me, I kinda see NE as pretty selfish, 'might makes right' type of pcs, where CE is pretty much crazy, causing wanton destruction regardless of the consequences (for the character as well, to a certain extent)

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Re: Im actually an Old school DnD player.....
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2014, 02:43:47 PM »
warshaper prc + weretiger (limited to hybrid only) + feral = one badass sabretooth!

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Re: Im actually an Old school DnD player.....
« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2014, 07:51:29 PM »
Avoid making NPCs you like. It tends to taking the spotlight off the players.

Whenever I make an NPC I really really like and I think is Uber-Awesome, I murder them as hard as I can.
I can tell just by your post how much to love the concept. So I think you really need to murder this NPC. Horrifically. It needs to die screaming in a way that is legendary in Hell. You want the dead to go, "I'm stuck pushing this rock up a hill for the rest of eternity, but at least I'm not THAT guy!"
If you have questions about 3.5 D&D, you might want to look at the:
Encyclopedia Vinculum Draconis

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Re: Im actually an Old school DnD player.....
« Reply #10 on: December 25, 2014, 08:38:38 PM »
Thanks for all the suggestions and tips guys.

For alignment Im leaning towards CN.

As for liking him, yeah I do lol.

This is a new group of players so what Im doing is making two NpC's that after the initial (short) adventure they can choose to invite to help on quests or now.
If they feel they need raw power they will most probably chose this guy.

The other NpC that Im introducing with Creed is a beautiful female Wild elf that had half her face ripped off by zombies. She is a rogue when the event takes place but soon pledges herself to Shevrash (the elven god of vengeance) and will end up a Skull hunter.

Hassliche Narbe, wild elf rogue
S  16
I  10
W 16
C  18 
D  19
Cha 8 (due to terrible scaring and anger)

The whole adventure will be based around undead.

I figured this way the players could lean on different NpC's as they see fit. If the meeting goes bad they may not even let any of these out of their prisons so perhaps these two will end up being enemies rather than quasi friends.

We shall see what happens based on the players interactions and decisions.