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Ashardian Dragon and Eligoran Dragon (Binder Dragons)
« on: January 28, 2015, 10:17:57 PM »
Ashardian Dragon

Also known as Crimson Dragons or the Children of Ashardalon, Ashardian Dragons are an offshoot of Red Dragons with a connection to the once mighty Half-Fiend Red Dragon and now Vestige Ashardalon. While they lack the sorcerous talent of their cousins, these Dragons possess a natural ability to bind Vestiges to themselves, as well as the vile strength of demons.



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Maneuver and Stances
This variant trades out the Ashardian Dragon's ability to bind vestiges and related abilities for the ability to use Maneuvers and Stances. This variant is always taken in games where Binders and Binding Magic are not present.
Level: 2nd
Replaces: This benefit replaces the Vestige-Born class feature gained at 2nd level and the Ashardalon's Dominance class feature gained at 10th level
Benefit: The Ashardian Dragon gains the Slayer Blood slass feature at 2nd level and the Flame Flourish class feature at 10th level

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Re: Ashardian Dragon and Eligoran Dragon (Binder Dragons)
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2015, 10:18:12 PM »
Eligoran Dragon

Also known as Grey Dragons or Armorwyrms, Eligoran Dragons are the decedents of a order of Greyguard Dragons whom through some dark ritual bound their own souls and the souls of their kin to that of the vestige known as Eligor. The powers they gained allowed them to fight back the draconic hordes of Tiamat that threatened the realm in their time, but ultimately cursed them and their offspring to lives of suffering.



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Maneuver and Stances
This variant trades out the Eligoran Dragon's ability to bind vestiges and related abilities for the ability to use Maneuvers and Stances. This variant is always taken in games where Binders and Binding Magic are not present.
Level: 2nd
Replaces: This benefit replaces the Vestige-Bound class feature gained at 2nd level, the Eligor's Traction class feature gained at 12th level, and the Eligor's Swift Command class feature gained at 16th level.
Benefit: The Eligoran Dragon gains the Vindicator Blood class feature at 2nd level, the Spirit Guidance class feature at 12th level, and the Swift Blessing class feature at 16th level.

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Re: Ashardian Dragon and Eligoran Dragon (Binder Dragons)
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2015, 10:18:31 PM »
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Re: Ashardian Dragon and Eligoran Dragon (Binder Dragons)
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2015, 10:18:48 PM »
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Essence Eater
You can eat the essence that surrounds and animates nonliving creatures.
Prerequisites: Ashardian Dragon 1st
Benefit: The Ashardalon's Hunger class feature can now be used against nonliving creatures and creatures with a Int score lower then 4. When using the class feature on nonliving creatures, you do not heal any hit points. When using the class feature on creatures with an Int score below 4, you only gain half the normal soul points, and you can never increase your soul points above half your max number of soul points.

Improved Soul Capacity
You can retain a greater number of souls at once.
Prerequisites: Ashardian Dragon 1st
Benefit: Increase the max number of soul points you can have by 2.
Special: This feat can never increase your max number of soul points above triple your HD.
Special: This feat can be taken multiple times.

Soul Glutton
You can devour multiple souls at once.
Prerequisites: Ashardian Dragon 1st
Benefit: You can use the Ashardalon's Hunger class feature on creatures you did not personally slay as long as you dealt at least 1 point of damage to them before they died. Further, you can eat the souls of any number of creatures that have been slain within your reach at once, provided they all died within the window of opportunity given to eat them.

Quick Eater
You can quickly eat up a soul.
Prerequisites: Ashardian Dragon 1st
Benefit: You can use the Ashardalon's Hunger class feature as a free action, even if it is not your turn.

Voracious Hunger
You can eat souls more often then others of your kind.
Prerequisites: Ashardian Dragon 1st
Benefit: You gain an additional use of the Ashardalon's Hunger class feature. Track the cooldown of each use separately.

Postpone the Feeding
You slay victims in such a way that their souls persist longer then normal.
Prerequisites: Ashardian Dragon 1st
Benefit: Increase the window of opportunity to eat the soul of a slain victim with the Ashardalon's Hunger class feature by 3 rounds.
Special: This feat can be taken multiple times.



Dedicated Conviction
Through dedication you can gather even greater conviction.
Prerequisites: Eligoran Dragon 1st
Benefit: Once per turn, the Eligoran Dragon can gain a point of Conviction an additional time from one of his class features (Eligor's Conviction, Eligor's Resilience, Eligor's Sacrifice).
Special: This feat can be taken multiple times, but not more then once every 20HD.

Improved Conviction Capacity
You can gather more conviction then normal.
Prerequisites: Eligoran Dragon 1st
Benefit: Increase the max number of conviction points you can have by 1.
Special: This feat can never increase your max number of conviction points above your HD.
Special: This feat can be taken multiple times.

Pious Conviction
Some Eligoran Dragons often turn to the divine to bolster their conviction.
Prerequisites: Eligoran Dragon 1st
Benefit: The Eligoran Dragon can as a Full-Round action, doing nothing but praying or swearing oaths to the divine or ancestors, gain 1/2 his wisdom bonus as conviction points (though no more then 1/4th his max total of conviction points, minimum 1)
A Dragon can also forgo his actions in the surprise round to also gain conviction through this feat (presuming he gets to act in the surprise round).
This benefits of this feat can only be used once every 5 rounds.

Crusader's Conviction
Some Eligoran Dragons embrace the traditions of their ancestors, and through rightous fury they bolster their conviction.
Prerequisites: Eligoran Dragon 1st
Benefit: The Eligoran Dragon gains 1 conviction point after successfully striking an enemy with a smite attack (be it from a granted ability of a vestige or otherwise). Further, if the dragon does have a smite attack with its number of uses measured per day, he stacks his Eligoran Dragon level with the class granting the smite attack for the purposes of determining how many uses per day the smite attack can be used and the number of extra damage the smite attack deals. If the smite attack does not gain extra uses per day do to level (such as the smite attack from the Half-Celestial template), he instead gains 1 extra use per 10 HD (min 1 extra use).
Additionally, the Eligoran Dragon can smite Dragons, regardless of alignment.
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Re: Ashardian Dragon and Eligoran Dragon (Binder Dragons)
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2015, 10:18:58 PM »
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Re: Ashardian Dragon and Eligoran Dragon (Binder Dragons)
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2015, 10:22:47 PM »
More of my crap.

The Ashardian Dragon is a variant of the red dragon themed after Ashardalon. He is a bit more melee cenetered then the Red Dragon though lacks the versatility of a Red Dragons spell list and spell-likes.

The Eligoran Dragon is probably going to be a variant of a silver Dragon based off of the vestige Eligor. Going to be a Dragonslayer Dragon kind of Dragon (in Heavy Armor).


As typical this probably needs finetuning.
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Re: Ashardian Dragon and Eligoran Dragon (Binder Dragons)
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2015, 05:29:39 PM »
I'm a little... disappointed that there isn't more of a focus on Demon + Dragon going on with the Ashardian (shouldn't that be Ashardalonian?) Dragon. After all, the central point of Ashardalon was that he tore out his heart and shoved a Balor in there.
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Re: Ashardian Dragon and Eligoran Dragon (Binder Dragons)
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2015, 06:52:57 PM »
I'm a little... disappointed that there isn't more of a focus on Demon + Dragon going on with the Ashardian (shouldn't that be Ashardalonian?) Dragon. After all, the central point of Ashardalon was that he tore out his heart and shoved a Balor in there.

I could always put more I suppose. It does only get really demony with that capstone.

I could switch it up to Ashardalonian, but it is quite a long name.
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Re: Ashardian Dragon and Eligoran Dragon (Binder Dragons)
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2015, 09:31:22 AM »
Okay so I am thinking I will replace Ashardalon's Vigor with an ability called Ashardalon's Hunger.

When the dragon slays a living creature he eats its soul. He can have a pool of souls equal to twice his HD. He can expend a number of souls to heal himself an equal number of hit points, increase his effective binder level for effects of vestiges, or gain a bonus on some rolls. Each of these abilities can only be used once every 5 rounds.
Link some of the latter abilites to spending souls.

Ashardalon fed on souls in the Bastion of Broken Souls, and soul eating is a pretty demony thing to do so it looks like it will fit to me thematically, and is not as boring as flat temp hp. Will flesh it out when I can.
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Re: Ashardian Dragon and Eligoran Dragon (Binder Dragons)
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2015, 07:58:59 PM »
Replaced the Bind Vestige bonus feat at first level with Ashardalon's Hunger
He can eat souls and do things better occasionally.

Gave a good chunk of abilities a Soul Point cost.
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Re: Ashardian Dragon and Eligoran Dragon (Binder Dragons)
« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2015, 09:55:10 AM »
First, this kinda goes against my policy of "monster classes must be playable with just the srd". Binding isn't OGL and most players out there don't know how it works.

I suggest providing ACFs that swap binding for thematic custom abilities that don't demand splat knowledge to play this.

The body section mentions red dragon, also

Ashardian Dragons are particularly vulnerable to effects that would expel a vestige from them however. Ashardian Dragons that are not currently in a pact with Ashardalon are sickened and those that remain unbound with Ashardalon for 2 hours per HD die as their souls disapate.


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The bolded part just doesn't make much sense. Do you mean they die after 2 hours per HD as their souls dissipate?

Vile damage for Darkfire Breath is really cruel at 1st level, in particular if used against the party. The vile damage part probably should only come online at a later level.

Ashardalon's Hunger sounds really powerful for a 1st level ability. A key detail that's not clear is if you can use this before or after making the roll. Also what happens if you kill stuff with less than 1 HD like rats and cats? (the answer should probably be that you don't get any).

Ashardalon's Heart, what's the action to grant a new feat?


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Re: Ashardian Dragon and Eligoran Dragon (Binder Dragons)
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2015, 03:06:56 AM »

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First, this kinda goes against my policy of "monster classes must be playable with just the srd". Binding isn't OGL and most players out there don't know how it works.

I suggest providing ACFs that swap binding for thematic custom abilities that don't demand splat knowledge to play this.

Yeah I wasnt sure if I should post it, but I did see a monster or two with Maneuver Progression so I went ahead and posted it.

I can probably get some ACFs up once I get some free time. Shouldnt be too difficult.

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The body section mentions red dragon, also

Ashardian Dragons are particularly vulnerable to effects that would expel a vestige from them however. Ashardian Dragons that are not currently in a pact with Ashardalon are sickened and those that remain unbound with Ashardalon for 2 hours per HD die as their souls disapate.


:psyduck

The bolded part just doesn't make much sense. Do you mean they die after 2 hours per HD as their souls dissipate?

Blargh.
Yeah I copy pasted that from when I was theorycrafting this some 2 or so years ago. They die after the 2 hours/HD.


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Vile damage for Darkfire Breath is really cruel at 1st level, in particular if used against the party. The vile damage part probably should only come online at a later level.

Wasnt sure how strong it would be so I reduced the typical damage die by one step, but yeah it probably shouldnt deal vile damage until PCs can throw up the concecrate to heal it.

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Ashardalon's Hunger sounds really powerful for a 1st level ability. A key detail that's not clear is if you can use this before or after making the roll. Also what happens if you kill stuff with less than 1 HD like rats and cats? (the answer should probably be that you don't get any).
I thought I had put in a max number of Soul points spenndable as half your HD but I guess not. Will fix.
The bonus should only be usable before a roll (wasting the points if you still fail). If it has less then 1HD it should give no points. Also thinking I should put a clause in for soul eating low intelligent creatures/animals. Probably half soul points. I don't think it will be a huge issue for the dragons to want to buy livestock for points before the adventure, but on the flip side it could be pretty akward to see the scary Demon Dragon herding cow into a dungeon for later use after combat =P.

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Ashardalon's Heart, what's the action to grant a new feat?
Probably set it to 1 hour so it can't be abused too freely.
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Re: Ashardian Dragon and Eligoran Dragon (Binder Dragons)
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2015, 08:29:37 PM »
ToB is so popular around here I doubt that anyone counts it as being non-core anymore. :P
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Re: Ashardian Dragon and Eligoran Dragon (Binder Dragons)
« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2015, 05:22:34 AM »
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Yeah I wasnt sure if I should post it, but I did see a monster or two with Maneuver Progression so I went ahead and posted it.

I can probably get some ACFs up once I get some free time. Shouldnt be too difficult.

Warblade and maneuvers were in the wotc website and that kind fo things were considered "srd" in this policy because you could easily access to them.

http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=1109.0

But, i don't know if now that the web enchantments are down that policy makes sense.
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Re: Ashardian Dragon and Eligoran Dragon (Binder Dragons)
« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2015, 08:48:13 AM »
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Yeah I wasnt sure if I should post it, but I did see a monster or two with Maneuver Progression so I went ahead and posted it.

I can probably get some ACFs up once I get some free time. Shouldnt be too difficult.

Warblade and maneuvers were in the wotc website and that kind fo things were considered "srd" in this policy because you could easily access to them.

http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=1109.0

But, i don't know if now that the web enchantments are down that policy makes sense.

To be fair with DnDtools most of the games content is easily accessible right now, though it is not legally accessible =P
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Re: Ashardian Dragon and Eligoran Dragon (Binder Dragons)
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2015, 09:50:15 PM »
I thought that DnDtools was shut down.
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Re: Ashardian Dragon and Eligoran Dragon (Binder Dragons)
« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2015, 04:04:12 AM »
YA must've missed the big party minmax had when it came back.


Where're these dragons from LT? Book-wise I mean.
I can totally use this Ashardian thing.....

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Re: Ashardian Dragon and Eligoran Dragon (Binder Dragons)
« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2015, 09:22:05 AM »
I thought that DnDtools was shut down.

There is a .pw, as well as one floating around with a diffrent address.

YA must've missed the big party minmax had when it came back.


Where're these dragons from LT? Book-wise I mean.
I can totally use this Ashardian thing.....

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Re: Ashardian Dragon and Eligoran Dragon (Binder Dragons)
« Reply #18 on: February 28, 2015, 04:56:38 PM »
Well then I want more fluff for these babies!

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Re: Ashardian Dragon and Eligoran Dragon (Binder Dragons)
« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2015, 07:45:26 PM »
Well then I want more fluff for these babies!

I have some rough fluff in my head but I wont be able to flesh it out until I get some free time, probably after I finish crunch as well.
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