Enlarging while swollowed

[GigaBig]

A fellow player (psionic warrior) uses expansion (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/expansion.htm) to fight, normally just to get the stat bumps. But recently he has discovered a new use.

In our last session we we attacked by a Dragon turtle (size huge). Our psionic warrior decided he was going to jump down its throat and expansion(augmented) on himself so that he would become huge.

We did some quick searching at the time for any info regarding how this would go down. I was able to find Breaking/entering info (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Breaking_and_Entering), but that has more to do with breaking into/through something (inanimate) more than breaking through a living creature.

Referencing Wiz enlarge person we found "If insufficient room is available for the desired growth, the creature attains the maximum possible size and may make a Strength check (using its increased Strength) to burst any enclosures in the process. If it fails, it is constrained without harm by the materials enclosing it— the spell cannot be used to crush a creature by increasing its size."

We opted to do a fort save vs his str check to see if he burst through the throat, in the aspect of timeliness. And to do more research before our next session as this may become the psionic warriors MO when fighting huge or larger creatures.

So i was wondering what your guys thoughts on this is? Is a fort vs str check appropriate? Or is there a way to calculate a Break DC for the neck/throat. What happens to said creature, decapitation, crit hit (what dmg would you use at what multiplier). Would the psionic warrior just get ejected out the mouth?

[wotmaniac]

maybe opposed STR checks?

[GigaBig]

Also, what would your thoughts be on if the enlarged player swallowed a monster whole and then resumed normal size.

@wotmaniac

That was our other thought.

[GigaBig]

BTW anyone have thoughts on how much one could get for a dragon turtle corpse? In parts or whole.

[ketaro]

Its not a true dragon so probably not much.

As for the thread question, this really feels it falls under the part of an enlarge person spell that says " the spell cannot be used to crush a creature by increasing its size."

In fact, its probably not something that could be done against a creature that doesn't at least have a Swallow Whole kind of ability otherwise you're not really going to get anywhere. :/

[Baad Speeler]

1st, I would go with what wotmaniac said, except I would use con instead. Because it seems more of a hardiness thing than a strength thing. I don't really have and issue with the fort save though.

2nd, I do believe that it says something about getting to swallow whole no matter if you have the ability or not as long as they are sufficiently smaller than you. I could be mistaken on that part though. I think swallow whole allows for you to eat anything one size category smaller than you, and you can just do it if it is more than two categories smaller. Don't have access to the books right now though, so if someone could check that for me and tell me if/how retarded I am, I would appreciate it.

[Jackinthegreen]

Here are the swallow whole rules:  http://www.d20srd.org/srd/specialAbilities.htm#swallowWhole

[Captnq]

BTW anyone have thoughts on how much one could get for a dragon turtle corpse? In parts or whole.

I just go with a default 10 gp a HD, then modify it with a, "Whatever the f**k I feel like" multiplier based on how much the players ticked me off lately x How well the harvesting skill check went x how common the critter it is

Some of the multipliers are fractional, BTW.

Dragon Turtle:

Rare: x5. Harvesting check DC 10 X.5, DC 20 x10, DC 30 x2 (max) - 10 to dc if using craft (taxidermy)

So 100 gp on a DC 20 Craft (taxidermy) or DC 30 Spellcraft check, unless they've ticked you off lately. BTW, You sell for half price, but can use it at full price for the crafting of magic items.

[phaedrusxy]

I read the thread title and thought this was going to be pornographic...

[Captnq]

BTW, I know what swallowed is, but what's "Swollowed"?

That does sound pornographic.

[GigaBig]

*sigh* I shall admit i cannot spell soo good.  And if I don't notice those helpful/hateful red squiggles under my words when I type it stays misspelled.

Thanks for making me feel better about myself.

But I digress, thanks for all teh (caught this one, but is a very typical misspelling of mine) input. I have relayed these thoughts to my DM, per the looting of the corpse he said "you'll get what you get and if you keep asking then you'll get less", so topic closed.

As per the bursting through the throat. He said for now we are only going to get atked by hordes of medium sized creatures until he decides. ( I suspect his decision won't be reveled until our psion tries this maneuver again, at which point I foresee this ending badly for him.