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Taoist Immortality
« on: February 22, 2015, 09:58:13 PM »
Exactly in what manner do taoist immortals have to renew their immortality?

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Re: Taoist Immortality
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2015, 10:13:08 PM »
so far, i haven't had to renew it  :cool


i think that the practice of Wu Wei means they dont do much of anything to renew it.

edit:

doing some double checking, checking the Eight

something i shoulda* already done

He-Xiangu just ate some magic stuff once. just a philosophers stone variant...boom immortal.

Cao-Guojiu had a benefactor, probably ate the same stuff He did.


*meh it dont matter

edit again:

quick checked all 8 of The immortals. some ingested a thing, elixir, pearl, peach... one just refused to die or just 'figured it out'
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Re: Taoist Immortality
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2015, 02:40:05 AM »
Taoist immortality is elixir based, according to the myths, you have several examples of immortality:
-Hou Yi's Elixir, stolen by Chang'e, who overdosed and flew to the moon. This is apparently perfect since she never needed a second dose.
-The Eight Immortals' personal and highly variable methods, with variable effectiveness.
-Celestial Peaches, not quite immortality, but each one grants another hundred years of life free from aging. They occupy the same role as Idunn's apples, as every god gets some(aside from buddhism crossovers, as buddhas have transcended life and death they don't need it)
-Ginseng fruit(the magic one, not the tonic) and other rare foods, grant a thousand years of life free from aging.
-Basic elixir of immortality renders the imbiber immune to the inconveniences of aging, you still age, but no longer suffer from disease, nor grow weaker.
-Advanced elixir of immortality releases the imbiber from the mortal coil, granting them a spiritual body that doesn't age at all.

However, a few complicating factors apply:
-Most of the permanent elixirs are unique, each using materials and methods that would be impossible to replicate.
-Many of the replicable elixirs require maintenance, especially the ones who are made by alchemists(as opposed to those who blunder into immortality). Exception: One monkey who ate ALL the drugs
-Injury, exertion, extremes of emotion, indulgence, exhaustion of magical powers and other disruptions to the body can reduce the effects of the elixirs.
-You still die when your time is up, there is a book in the Underworld that records when you will die, at which point destiny catches up to you. Since this is a matter of fate, anyone with a source of immortality was already fated to live a long time. Exception: one monkey who ripped his page out of the book.
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Re: Taoist Immortality
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2015, 04:03:41 AM »
Hm...I asked this cause I'm statting up the yaoguai, which seems to be a generic term for demons and monsters.  Apparently they include:

Animals who have become immortal via taoist sorcery, or being the pet of a god, or becoming a demon who sustains their immortality by eating people

Fallen celestials who are now demons

Beings who have always been demons

Objects which have somehow become ghosts.

The one link is tha they have achieved immortality somehow

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Re: Taoist Immortality
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2015, 09:08:47 AM »
Hm...I asked this cause I'm statting up the yaoguai, which seems to be a generic term for demons and monsters.  Apparently they include:

Animals who have become immortal via taoist sorcery, or being the pet of a god, or becoming a demon who sustains their immortality by eating people

Fallen celestials who are now demons

Beings who have always been demons

Objects which have somehow become ghosts.

The one link is tha they have achieved immortality somehow

Most of them don't technically have immortality, they have unusually long lifespans compared to mortal versions of their kind, but do not live forever.
Yaoguai is the exact same term as Youkai.

Here's a bit of a chinese supernatural glossary:
-Jing - Anything which has attained intelligence, when it normally isn't intelligent, but is benign.
--Almost anything can become Jing from age alone, so it happens to particularly old animals, plants and objects. It also happens to things around concentrations of power, tools used to perform magic, or animals that have been around gods are likely to become intelligent. Magic comes before intelligence, so they tend to have powers of their own.

-Guai - Anything with an unusual form. It's the broadest term and technically applicable to even benign supernaturals, though they'd be pretty offended.
--Adding Shou(beast) to it means a monster animal, generally  extremely large, or with additional limbs and heads.

- Yao - Anything which has acquired malice. Animals which have tasted human flesh and blood, weapons used in great slaughter, ghosts which have a powerful grudge or envy for the living. This also gives them great power, because feeding on humans is one of the fastest way for a monster to grow powerful(though it caps lower than those who achieve power through enlightenment)

- Ling - Anything which is spiritual in form. Ghosts, usually, but there are also nature spirits and the like.

- Gui - Ghosts, usually, but it's often used for unidentified spooks.

- Xian - Divine, ascended to heaven in some manner.

- Mo - Magical, powerfully so. Almost always refers to demonic and corrupting routes of power.

- Tao - Understanding. Usually refers to power achieved through study and enlightenment. NOT exclusive with demonic sources of power.

So onto your examples
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Animals who have become immortal via taoist sorcery
Almost never happens that way. The usual process is that they acquire the Jing state first, becoming intelligent through environment or age, then study sorcery. At some point they master a humanoid transformation, and can go further from there.

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, or being the pet of a god,
This is becoming powerful through ambient power. they absorb a bit of divine power, becoming intelligent, then generally steal some item of power from their master on their way out. They have access to high levels of magical knowledge as well, from exposure to divine secrets.
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or becoming a demon who sustains their immortality by eating people
This is anything that claims enough lives, a sword, a mountain, a tiger, all of these can acquire the Jing state by acquiring enough corrupt power. They usually go through the fast way of acquiring power, by eating things from a higher state of being, they grow strong and evil.

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Fallen celestials who are now demons
Fallen celestials are not necessarily evil. They broke the divine rules for some reason, ranging from neglect of duty, crime or illicit love affairs(divine marriages are strictly regulated and most definitely not supposed to be sexing up mortals). Which leads to them being forcibly reincarnated as a mortal or animal(the really dangerous ones are sealed away instead).

As an animal or spirit(for severe crimes), they still possess a lot of their divine powers and memories, which allows it to fast track to become Jing, and most gods know enough transformation magic to turn into a human form even after their punishment. As a human(for lesser crimes), they usually don't possess much of their memories, but the powers are there, and will slowly transform the human back towards their divine state, while challenges and misfortune would plague them until they either reincarnate for another try, or they prove themselves worthy of divinity again, and resume their memories and title.

Some try to redeem their way back to heaven by heroic deeds and good living, others revel in their freedom as a mortal, while yet others harbor a grudge over their punishment and vent their fury upon mortals.

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Beings who have always been demons
VERY few of these exist. Most of these are rogue divine enforcers that ran out of control or lost to their base impulses.

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Objects which have somehow become ghosts.

See above regarding Jing.

Many of them seek immortality because they are aware of how short lived their base forms are, and the fear of death haunts them. Many of them get some level of immortality, making up for encroaching age with growing power, but it's not inherent to their state.
Everything is edible. Just that there are things only edible once per lifetime.
It's a god-eat-god world.

Procrastination is the thief of time; Year after year it steals, till all are fled,
And to the mercies of a moment leaves; The vast concerns of an eternal scene.

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Re: Taoist Immortality
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2015, 05:20:44 PM »
omg are you in China?  :twitch


I was able to find more from your post than i was in several days of searching.

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Re: Taoist Immortality
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2015, 03:24:57 AM »
Okay how about I do Jing as a template for creating sentient plants, animals or objects that have learned enough sorcery to achieve human form.  Following that is the Yaomo template for those that choose an evil twisted path to immortality, or xian for critters exposed to divine power.  I could also do SHou as an add-on template for particularly monstrous critters.  Tha'll get me the magical animals  at least