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[Homebrew] Calculating psionic power points
« on: June 03, 2015, 04:32:07 PM »
Hello, I'm working on a psionic class variant of an existing spellcasting class (Duskblade specifically) and I wanted to know if there was any resource for how D&D 3.5e calculates how many power points a psionic character should be able to cast.  Heck, just generic rules for power points based on the maximum power level would be great.
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Re: [Homebrew] Calculating psionic power points
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2015, 05:22:20 PM »
Psionics have a weird sort of progression to them... but there is actually a pattern to it... just not a calculated one...

Example: Psi Warrior... progression is +2 per level multiplied every 5th level... (1st level is skipped, but still counted for the pattern)
so 2-5th +2; 6-10th +4; 11-15th +8; 16-20th +12

Psion/Wilder progression is far more complex... I had it figured out at one point but I've since forgotten the exact pattern for it...

2 +4 +5 +6 +8 +10 +11 +12 +14 +16 +18 +20 +21 +23 +25 +26 +29 +30 +31 +32

at some point a while back the pattern made sense to me... but right now it's completely lost...

However, if your doing a psionic variant of Duskblade then you should be fine with the PsiWarrior progression which is a pretty solid pattern...

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Re: [Homebrew] Calculating psionic power points
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2015, 05:48:01 PM »
Psionics have a weird sort of progression to them... but there is actually a pattern to it... just not a calculated one...

Example: Psi Warrior... progression is +2 per level multiplied every 5th level... (1st level is skipped, but still counted for the pattern)
so 2-5th +2; 6-10th +4; 11-15th +8; 16-20th +12

Psion/Wilder progression is far more complex... I had it figured out at one point but I've since forgotten the exact pattern for it...

2 +4 +5 +6 +8 +10 +11 +12 +14 +16 +18 +20 +21 +23 +25 +26 +29 +30 +31 +32

at some point a while back the pattern made sense to me... but right now it's completely lost...

However, if your doing a psionic variant of Duskblade then you should be fine with the PsiWarrior progression which is a pretty solid pattern...


Duskblade's main shtick is lots and lots of low-level spells.  Psychic warrior doesn't really work into that terribly well.
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Re: [Homebrew] Calculating psionic power points
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2015, 06:25:47 PM »
Uh, look at UA Spellpoints variant, compare Spell/power levels for advancement.

See how sorcerer jumps at 4th because 2nd level spells cost 3 ea? So take DB progression, compare to Sorc progression and hit the spellpoints... er power points that way. Remember that to get full effect, PPs need to be pumped in occasionally.

Hell, just add together the spellpoints to get there for each level. Here's 20th as an example:
10×1+10×3+10×5+8×7+6×9
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10+30+50+56+54=200 spellpoints. That however is 11 maxed spells per day.
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Re: [Homebrew] Calculating psionic power points
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2015, 10:12:21 PM »
Psionics have a weird sort of progression to them... but there is actually a pattern to it... just not a calculated one...

Example: Psi Warrior... progression is +2 per level multiplied every 5th level... (1st level is skipped, but still counted for the pattern)
so 2-5th +2; 6-10th +4; 11-15th +8; 16-20th +12

Psion/Wilder progression is far more complex... I had it figured out at one point but I've since forgotten the exact pattern for it...

2 +4 +5 +6 +8 +10 +11 +12 +14 +16 +18 +20 +21 +23 +25 +26 +29 +30 +31 +32

at some point a while back the pattern made sense to me... but right now it's completely lost...

However, if your doing a psionic variant of Duskblade then you should be fine with the PsiWarrior progression which is a pretty solid pattern...


Duskblade's main shtick is lots and lots of low-level spells.  Psychic warrior doesn't really work into that terribly well.

the pattern from PsiWarrior can still be used though... just go into shorter intervals and larger multiplications...

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Re: [Homebrew] Calculating psionic power points
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2015, 03:09:31 AM »
Uh, look at UA Spellpoints variant, compare Spell/power levels for advancement.

See how sorcerer jumps at 4th because 2nd level spells cost 3 ea? So take DB progression, compare to Sorc progression and hit the spellpoints... er power points that way. Remember that to get full effect, PPs need to be pumped in occasionally.

Hell, just add together the spellpoints to get there for each level. Here's 20th as an example:
10×1+10×3+10×5+8×7+6×9
or
10+30+50+56+54=200 spellpoints. That however is 11 maxed spells per day.


I think what I decided on is... cantrips count as a half power point, and all the other abilities gain the 'spontaneous benefit' of having them grant one additional power point per manifester level.  So a 2nd level power would grant 4 instead of 3 points.
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