Iron Siege Q&A

[Daniel]

The TGoH rules for proxies are very different than the original rules in Deities and Demigods. Notably, the proxy template no longer grants any divine ranks or quasi-deity status. One upside of this is that any immunities granted by the proxy template cannot be bypassed with a rank check like deific immunities can.

[Tshern]

The TGoH rules for proxies are very different than the original rules in Deities and Demigods. Notably, the proxy template no longer grants any divine ranks or quasi-deity status. One upside of this is that any immunities granted by the proxy template cannot be bypassed with a rank check like deific immunities can.

So they are, I had forgotten that. Excellent.

[PlzBreakMyCampaign]

So why is this using epic rules? Epic is gross. Why not have this as a non-epic, non-to challenge? I half thought about making this question a new thread, but I don't want to clutter. Whoever can answer this should PM me, as I didn't even know this board existed...

[zook1shoe]

I'd love to still try this, if someone starts it up again

[Tshern]

So why is this using epic rules? Epic is gross. Why not have this as a non-epic, non-to challenge? I half thought about making this question a new thread, but I don't want to clutter. Whoever can answer this should PM me, as I didn't even know this board existed...

The challenge is an epic level one, because it uses the version of Dispater made by the Dicefreaks. Originally the whole exercise was made to see how ridiculously unkillable he is if played correctly. Turns out, quite unkillable indeed.

zook1shoe: I'll consider starting this again. Been away from D&D for a while, so I'd need to see if I still have my notes and whatnot.

[Daniel]

I would also like to give this a shot.

[dna1]

Is this still going?

I haven't been following for a long time, did anyone make it? Or anyone get close at all? I thought Carn had a good shot...

[Tshern]

Far as I recall, carnivore never got to start his attempt. Under my management, not a whole lot of progress. Might be picking this up again if I recall my D&D well enough.

[Amechra]

A quick question:

How much HP does the Iron Tower of Dis have?

Or, more accurately, how much HP does the material comprising it have per inch, how much hardness does it have, and how thick are the walls?

Because I think I've figured out a way to kill everything on Dis in a round, but it might not even scratch the tower...

[Daniel]

The Tower of Dis is an artifact so it has a specific method of destruction. As far as I can tell, that information is not part of this challenge.

The tower itself is made from iron however no challenger has been able to make a scratch on it and spells like ironguard did not allow the player to pass through it.

[Amechra]

Different question: how much HP does Dis have?

Yes, the plane.

[Quillwraith]

Aren't planes infinitely large? It'd have an infinite amount of material, all with varying but >0 HP per inch, giving the plane infinite HP.

[Amechra]

Alright, so I think I can destroy it. Maybe.

Depends; does sonic damage ignore hardness? I can't remember.

[zook1shoe]

uber hulking hurler throw chunks of the plane itself at the Tower, kind of like the ents in Two Towers

[Amechra]

Dang, I just remembered that destroying the plane of Dis does not count as a win condition.

After all, if there is no Dis, then you can't kill Dispater on Dis, can you?

[zook1shoe]

theres that one metamagic feat that you can exclude a small area.... leave him with a 5ft square of dis?

[brujon]

I have thought about it over and over, and couldn't think of a way to kill him...

[zook1shoe]

i think the main concern is actually finding him, defeating him would be much easier

[Daniel]

A wish or epic spell can find him.

ProfessorCurly created the following 2 epic spells/powers which could be of use. Combine these with Cosmic Connection, Improved Overchannel, and Consumptive Field to get the desired caster level.

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Clairsentience
Psycraft DC: 171
Display: None
Casting Time: Standard Action
Range: Personal
Target: You
Duration: 30 min/level
Saving Throw: None
Spell Resistance: No
To Develop: 1,539,000 gp, 31 days, 61,560 XP
Seeds: Metafaculty (DC 72)
Factors: Increase duration to 5 min/level (increase duration 100% x5 +10), +30 Bonus to defeat Epic powers, spells, special abilities, or other effects that obscure divinations and clairsentience powers (+60), Casting time one standard action (+20), make tenacious as the feat (ad hoc +10), no visual display (+4)
Mitigating Factors: Seed within primary discipline (-5)

The manifester's mind becomes heightened to a degree above and beyond mortal comprehension, and indeed some divine comprehension. Predictions and extrapolations that only a paragon of law and logic could hope to make, made at a speed that baffles the mind and can confound even the most chaotic and unpredictable of creatures with its abilities. Cognition of the Machine functions as Metafaculty with a longer duration and a tenacious power, that automatically pierces non-epic spells, powers, and abilities that obscure clairsentience powers (Including Wish, Miracle, Reality Revision, and other such spells/powers used for this purpose) and can pierce even Epic spells, powers, and abilities. The manifester must succeed on a manifester level check (difficulty the spellcasting/manifester level of the source of said power) to pierce the protection, but the manifester gets a +30 bonus to this check.

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Telepathy
Psycraft DC: 180
Display: None
Casting Time: Standard Action
Range: Personal
Duration: Two days
Saving Throw: Will Negates (harmless)
Power Resistance: Yes (harmless)
To Develop: 1,620,000 gp, 33 days, 64,800 xp
Seeds: Mind Blank (64), Conceal (17)
Factors: Block epic divination/clarsentience spells/powers/abilities created with the Reveal seed (+6), +30 DC to the caster level check of defeat epic divination/clairsentience spells/powers/abilities (+60), no visual display (+4), make tenacious as the feat (ad hoc +10), increase duration by 100% (+2), protects against metafaculty completely (ad hoc +19)
Mitigating Factors: Reduce range from target to personal (-2)

The manifester draws up powerful mental barriers around himself, forming a shield through which spells to detect the manifester are almost powerless to penetrate. This acts identically to the power Mind Blank, except that it automatically defeats Metafaculty and Epic Spells/Powers used to locate the manifester must succeed on a caster level check (DC of the manifester level of this power +30) or the spell/power fails.

[zook1shoe]

Planescape available?