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Re: The Politics Thread v2
« Reply #240 on: October 23, 2015, 03:53:08 PM »
Apparently he did get everyone to agree to the "as speaker I no longer do fund raising on the weekends" bit.  That's pretty big.  The House Speaker does a ton of fund raising.

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Re: The Politics Thread v2
« Reply #241 on: October 23, 2015, 05:11:40 PM »
Sheer idleness. What makes him think he can take weekends off, the lazy bum.
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Re: The Politics Thread v2
« Reply #242 on: October 24, 2015, 12:37:18 AM »
For the first time, I like Ryan.  It takes stones to make absurd demands of the group known for making absurd demands in an organization known for epic absurdity.  A good PR stunt at the bare minimum.

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Re: The Politics Thread v2
« Reply #243 on: October 24, 2015, 01:37:52 AM »
Speaking of PR Stunts, Trump sheds superPACs and calls for others to do the same.  I don't even want to vote for the guy, but man this is shrewd.  If his opponents follow through, he trumps them with his own cash.  If they don't, he trumps them by being the money-out-of-politics-guy, as well as set himself up as a foil to Clinton.  And frankly, he also draws attention because it's the right thing to do.

This guy continues to befuddle me to no end.
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Re: The Politics Thread v2
« Reply #244 on: October 24, 2015, 01:54:39 AM »
Eh, Sanders was rejecting SuperPAC money before it was cool.
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Re: The Politics Thread v2
« Reply #245 on: October 24, 2015, 03:17:34 AM »
I'm hoping for Trump vs Sanders (with Sanders winning).  Because neither of them are the establishment from their respective sides.
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Re: The Politics Thread v2
« Reply #246 on: October 24, 2015, 03:14:19 PM »
Eh, Sanders was rejecting SuperPAC money before it was cool.

Yeah but that's Sanders.

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Re: The Politics Thread v2
« Reply #247 on: October 24, 2015, 04:36:16 PM »
Trump is betraying his own class
Sir, I believe I speak for all of us when I say that Trump has no class.
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Re: The Politics Thread v2
« Reply #248 on: October 24, 2015, 08:31:09 PM »
Trump's class is Trump. His race is Trump.  His gender is Trump.  Alignment?  You guess it!  He's a CT Trump Trump Trump/Donald, specialized in epic comb overs and hyuge, luxurious, classy Trumps.   For his Halloween costume, he dresses normally.  He just goes someplace with no class so they think he's wearing one.

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Re: The Politics Thread v2
« Reply #249 on: October 24, 2015, 09:29:20 PM »
and lo there came  a sexy donald trump costume http://www.yandy.com/Donna-T.-Rumpshaker-Costume.php

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Re: The Politics Thread v2
« Reply #250 on: October 24, 2015, 10:31:04 PM »
and lo there came  a sexy donald trump costume http://www.yandy.com/Donna-T.-Rumpshaker-Costume.php

...yep, now I have dark insight.  Sanity points were lost.
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Re: The Politics Thread v2
« Reply #251 on: October 26, 2015, 05:15:26 AM »
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Re: The Politics Thread v2
« Reply #252 on: October 27, 2015, 03:38:54 AM »
Instant runoff elections are the bees knees.  The RCVAct seems to include a take on it.  Neato.  Pity every screaming jerk in congress and his brother will be against it.  Because far too many of them got the job by Gerrymandering.

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Re: The Politics Thread v2
« Reply #253 on: October 27, 2015, 01:37:54 PM »
So, honest question: what are Hillary's good points, aside from her fairly liberal voting record?
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Re: The Politics Thread v2
« Reply #254 on: October 27, 2015, 03:43:07 PM »
Uh, she's mortal, so even if she gets the job there's a finite amount of time she can spend fucking things up?

More seriously, I don't really know enough about her as a politician to say. Though I'm with Arthur C. Clarke in thinking that the fact that she wants the job is kind of a red flag.

Granted, that goes for all the other candidates as well. :rolleyes

Also, I wouldn't necessarily consider a "liberal" voting record to be a good thing in and of itself. This stuff is too complicated (and important) to boil down to such over-broad categories.
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Re: The Politics Thread v2
« Reply #255 on: October 27, 2015, 05:14:42 PM »
Hillary is more of a centrist than a liberal.  Sanders has pulled her to the left in the primary, but primary speeches mean nothing.  She'll likely govern in a manner similar to Bill, by waiting to see what the polls say before acting.

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« Reply #256 on: October 27, 2015, 05:16:52 PM »
She's not any of the Republican candidates?  She has a moderately liberal voting record?  She's spent time as a secretary under Obama so there's a little experience in the Office already I suppose.

Downsides will be: Republicans filibuster even more robustly and completely, they will attempt impeachment at every turn, and politics will otherwise bog down everything further.  All of this is for naught if the Democrats manage (somehow) to get a supermajority in both house AND senate.
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Re: The Politics Thread v2
« Reply #257 on: October 27, 2015, 07:02:34 PM »
Hillary is more of a centrist than a liberal.  Sanders has pulled her to the left in the primary, but primary speeches mean nothing.  She'll likely govern in a manner similar to Bill, by waiting to see what the polls say before acting.

Isn't that pretty much all of them?
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Re: The Politics Thread v2
« Reply #258 on: October 27, 2015, 08:21:02 PM »
Hillary is more of a centrist than a liberal.  Sanders has pulled her to the left in the primary, but primary speeches mean nothing.  She'll likely govern in a manner similar to Bill, by waiting to see what the polls say before acting.

Isn't that pretty much all of them?

I'd argue that Sanders doesn't fit, though I will admit bias.  I would recommend checking him out and then remembering to vote in the primaries AND the midterms. 

Though you're free to make your own choice if his views fit yours or not, I would give the following argument.  We have a voter turnout problem in the country.  Young people don't vote, burned out and disillusioned by a gerrymandered system and politicians who "play the game" and make it a job rather than a service.  Old people vote in mass and lockstep with their parties.  For the longest time, this has skewed things rightward towards the aging conservative population.

Right now, there is an excited youthful base all set up for Sanders.  Hillary meanwhile is more status quo, she'll probably be ok, but it's more of the same.  If Hillary wins the primary, do you think the energized base who have been asking for "actual hope and change this time" will suddenly drop that and vote for her?  Some of them will, sure, will vote out of fear to keep the GOP out.  But some of them, I'd argue a lot of them, will not vote out of disillusionment again since "Hillary is inevitable" has been chanted in our ears since 2008.  And because Sanders has drawn independants and even some moderate republicans who respect his integrity and are disgusted by the state of the GOP, some of them may decide to go accelerationist and vote for the craziest guy in hopes for massive backlash in 2020.  While I don't agree with that logic, I know it exists, and I have to consider it.  Just remember, high voter turnout is good!  Not only is it good for democracy to work in the first place, also remember that when voter turnout is high, Dems win.  When it's low... Republicans win.  Just look at 2014 midterms.  That was a trainwreck.
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Re: The Politics Thread v2
« Reply #259 on: October 27, 2015, 08:37:30 PM »
Hillary is more of a centrist than a liberal.  Sanders has pulled her to the left in the primary, but primary speeches mean nothing.  She'll likely govern in a manner similar to Bill, by waiting to see what the polls say before acting.

Isn't that pretty much all of them?
If that were true, then you'd see no meaningful difference between elected officials.  They'd all be following the same polls, more or less. 

There are sharp, demonstrable, and quantifiable distinctions between the activities of elected officials, especially less obvious ones (e.g., the actions of administrative agencies, which typically are things that are not directly polled).