The Politics Thread v2

[bhu]

Calling me a liar is a really poor way to convince me of your good intentions and desire for civil debate rather than just another round of insults.

  I'm not here for debate, I was pointing out your behavior towards others.  You and I have exchanged too much venom to make for an open debate, yet that still remains a possibility for others here.  And I wouldn't call you a fibber if you didn't occasionally fib.     Everyone lies.  To themselves if no one else.  It's the malicious lies that are the ones that account for trouble.

Bullshit.
Prove it.

  I can point out prior posts, but whats in it for me?  Seriously.  I've poked you enough I can'y honestly imagine you would accept any evidence I could offer, and I'm not here to influence others opinions because I don't care about their opinions.  So whats in it for me that would make it worth the effort?  I'd just be pissing you off more which I've done enough already.

You mean the way you said you would play the troll and I said I would treat you poorly in return?
But now you don't like the consequences of me being as obnoxious as you.

  What consequences?  You lead the way with obnoxiousness.  That hasn't changed.  Yes, you're more obnoxious to me, but I delibreately provoked that so it comes as no surprise.  After all it might have been my intent.  Trolls want people to respond, and they don't respond to people they like.

You can say "fine, prove it!" and lurk in wait for me to call you an asshole with no provocation. Just remember that I will be waiting as well - you can be the scorpion all you want, but I won't play the frog for you.

What makes you think I'm the scorpion and not the frog?

[Samwise]

I can point out prior posts, but whats in it for me?  Seriously.  I've poked you enough I can'y honestly imagine you would accept any evidence I could offer, and I'm not here to influence others opinions because I don't care about their opinions.  So whats in it for me that would make it worth the effort?  I'd just be pissing you off more which I've done enough already.

Either you can present evidence or you are just lying.
Since all you have are excuses it seems rather clear that you know you are lying and simply want to find a way to run away from it.

What makes you think I'm the scorpion and not the frog?

With your behavior, what makes you think you aren't?

[Raineh Daze]

Again, I wish one of you two would just stop replying to the other or take it to PM's. This is just space-filling irritation.

[bhu]

Again, I wish one of you two would just stop replying to the other or take it to PM's. This is just space-filling irritation.

Worry not, he'll inevitably tire of me the way he always does and move on.

[bhu]

Either you can present evidence or you are just lying.
Since all you have are excuses it seems rather clear that you know you are lying and simply want to find a way to run away from it.

  See that?  That tendency to make everything a binary choice?  That's one of the rhetorical devices that makes people not take you seriously, or give them cause to think you're trolling.  I told you before i was trolling you for your trollish behavior yes?  A professional troll knows the best way to hurt someone is the truth, followed by telling the truth in a misleading way, followed by actual lying.  If you can get hate you enough that he disbelieves whatever you say, particularly when its the truth, well that's just butter on the popcorn.  Again, yor posts do leave adequate room for pointing things out presuming they haven't been edited, but then I'd be expending time and energy on a fruitless endeavor you'd still deny anyway.  So I ask again, what's in it for me?  If I'm to do something at your whim I'd like paid for my time.

With your behavior, what makes you think you aren't?

Because I like frogs.   

[bhu]

Tonights debate summary:

Trump and Bush squabble (big surprise there)

Cruz and Rubio squabble

Carson baffled and dismayed to be on a stage getting asked questions.

[SolEiji]

Again, I wish one of you two would just stop replying to the other or take it to PM's. This is just space-filling irritation.

Here, if it makes you feel better have some real news:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3361179/I-used-eat-Milk-Bones-kid-Carly-Fiorina-snacks-dog-treats-tells-puppies-vote-Republican-Obama-ate-cousin-bizarre-video.html

... 

....you know what, let's go back to the Troll Bowl 2015. 

[awaken_D_M_golem]

There was quite a switch :
Neo Con All War All The Time
from 9/11/01 to last night.

Now half are trending toward rationality.
 

[SolEiji]

Delicious news for Sanders, DFA is on his side.

[awaken_D_M_golem]

Are you from Iowa?  You need this: https://registertovote.org/forms/register/registration/iowa.html
You must be in at least 11 days before the primary.  Do not delay.

Luv that sig ... 

20% of USA 18 to 29s vote
60% of that age group, want to send "troops on the ground" in Syria
60+ % of them, want someone else to do the fighting for them

Those numbers are not rationalize-able.

[SolEiji]

Are you from Iowa?  You need this: https://registertovote.org/forms/register/registration/iowa.html
You must be in at least 11 days before the primary.  Do not delay.

Luv that sig ... 

20% of USA 18 to 29s vote
60% of that age group, want to send "troops on the ground" in Syria
60+ % of them, want someone else to do the fighting for them

Those numbers are not rationalize-able.

Aw thanks.  If you know anyone from Iowa (or know anyone who knows people from Iowa), pass it on.  I have a feeling this will be important to make common knowledge.

Those are some janky numbers sir.  I am 120% Eiji.

And in other news, since I'm sure you've run across it, about the Clinton data breach.  And what a load of nonsense it has become.  For those tl;dr, whoever runs the servers for the DNC has been doing a bad job, and the apparently secret phonebook lists each campaign has set up for themselves were exposed to each other rather than being properly filtered out.  A staffer on Sanders poked their head in, then reported it.  While the poor guy was fired immediately (since he wasn't supposed to be in there, he was technically responsible), the DNC decides to cut off the Sanders campaign from all data until they can prove a negative.

It's a big mess, and they're even going to court.

Of course, if you've been following on how the DNC, and specifically it's head honcho Debbie Wasserman Schultz, have been treating things you know that this just smacks of convenience, especially 1 day after some really good news for Sanders with the DFA.  And to add more suspicion on this, this isn't the first time a breach has been reported, except last time they complained to the service about it and told it was ok and fixed. 

Oh, and if it interests you, there's a petition floating about: http://pac.petitions.moveon.org/sign/debbie-wasserman-schultz-2?source=none&fb_test=0

[SolEiji]

Holy crap.  When I linked that petition, it was at 23.  Now it's at 28 and it's been a few scant hours.  Jesus Christ... 

(EDIT: And now it's 244...
...255...
...263...)

[SolEiji]

Aaaand they have capitulated: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-sanders-data-restore-idUSKBN0U203X20151219

Lawsuit probably will still go, because shit's fucked man, but now they can get back to work!  That was quick.  Dat Streisand effect...

[awaken_D_M_golem]

When Bill Clinton ran for re-election,
Bill Bradley was the guy who stepped
up as the Loyal Opposition (~variously).

Sanders deserves to be treated
at least as well , because he so
contrasts with the Repubs are saying ...

[SolEiji]

This debate has been very bloody, and not at all about the Data Leak.  It's amazing, but holy shit is ABC biased as hell, and those moderators are useless.

(EDIT: Wow, ok.  So....

Awesome debates, TERRIBLE moderators.  ABC is complete garbage.  Also calling it on the meme "Sith Lord Clinton" being a thing.

Will try to summarize a bit later.)

[SolEiji]

A summery of the debates...

ABC: Alright, here are the rules of the debate.  You get X amount of time, and Y time to respond.  Clinton gets the first word and the last word.  We'll star-

Moderators realize the candidates are all talking over each other interrupting.

ABC: Uh... penalty to O'Malley.... uh... penalty to Sanders... uh, O'Malley, uh... um...

Clinton keeps talking.  Moderators do nothing.  Lay down and proceed to be used as floormats.

ABC: About the Data Leak, are you sorry? 

Sanders: Doesn't miss a beat. Yes.  Being responsible fills him with DETERMINATION.  Clinton looks away, unable to use her attack speech.

ABC: Oh that was short, time for commercial.  Here is the break room of a Walmart, where we gave 20 employees Clinton sides and cookies.  Please tell us why our chosen god emperess has no competition.

Person cannot answer, mouth is too busy gagging on dick.

ABC: Did we mention they have cookies?  Zoom up on that folks.

ABC: Um, next question.  ISIS.  Gun control.  ISIS.  Crime rates.  ISIS.  Economy.  Educati- enough of that, ISIS.

O'Malley keeps attacking, goes too far, and Sanders and Clinton both rebuke him.

ABC: Time for commercial.  Welcome back to the back of Walmart.  Please describe how Clinton is the light, the love, and the way.

ABC: Last question for everyone.  What will the roll be for the First Husband?

O'Malley: Bitch, no one tells my wife what to do, she do what she want.

Clinton: Hey guys, did I mention... may the force be with you?

Airhorns, MGL Pro, debate over, ignore all the good you just heard, did you know Clinton saw star wars?  OMG to the twatters!

ABC: Oh, right, end of the show.  Um, there's a Sanders room too.

An entire restaurant full of people cheering.

ABC: Enough of that, time to go back to our newspeople.  Tell us how much you thought Clinton was a golden idol we all should worship...

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tl;dr, holy crap ABC, what the fuck was that.

Thing was made worthy only because the debate itself was excellent, on all sides.

[awaken_D_M_golem]

  ... good form Eiji for the holidays.

[bhu]

 

[awaken_D_M_golem]

Report going around (idk a good link)
that Trump is up enough this late, that
it's nearly 100% he'll be the nominee.

So that's why the Repub insiders were
freaking out last week.  And set out to
figure some way to have a contested
nomination process at the convention.

But wiley-coyote-Trump was handing out
Obama style "how to Caucus" pamphlets
back on the 2nd day he started campaigning.

538 oddly is taking the opposite tact
saying he so far represents only ~8%
of the overall electorate.  Yeah but you
guys are "the" pollsters every other time ?!

[dman11235]

538 doesn't follow the polls.  They've explained frequently that the polls this early in the cycle aren't really all that accurate.  They look at the right polls that show the electorates, and what they see is that the people who will vote are not supporting him as much as he claims they are.  Also, when it comes down to it, he won't get the majority of Repub voters, because they'll coalesce around a more popular candidate.  However, they've been upping his chances of winning the nomination by vote steadily because he has been steadily holding or gaining in the polls.

EDIT: Basically, they don't look at raw poll numbers, they look at the polls as a whole and what they see is that he's not doing as well as the polls say he's doing.