all-homebrew game?

[Ziegander]

TWF variant is cool unless it causes problems for someone else, your fighter one also(but don't abuse leadership please), the other two are fine.

Okay, sounds good (I wasn't going to even use the Leadership feat, I just put that in for completeness). Once I know what character level we're starting at, I'll have a character sheet posted soon enough. Once I know a little more about the campaign setting, I'll have a background ready.

[Quillwraith]

A start on the campaign setting:

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There are numerous different planes, and concealed portals between them are common. Many powerful monsters inhabit the multiverse, and they are not likely to help an inadvertent planar traveler. Once, the Makers protected the sentient races from the dangers of the planes, but, two thousand years ago, they left the world. Now their creations, uncontrolled, are as much of a threat as planar wanderers.

No cohesive civilization exists, as people rarely are willing to leave their home village and risk stumbling across one of the numerous concealed portals, as many powerful monsters inhabit the multiverse, and they are not likely to help an inadvertent planar traveler.
Once, the Makers protected the sentient races from the dangers of the planes, but, two thousand years ago, they left the world. Now their creations, uncontrolled, are as much of a threat as planar wanderers.

Humans fear(for instance) being enslaved by formians, who in turn dread being drafted into the blood war, and even balors and pit fiends fear the epic monsters of some demiplanes.

However travel has its advantages, as even Vour and the Plane of Erosion have valuable resources and benevolent extraplanar beings. Occasionally, a traveller can even find an intact magic item from the time of the Makers.


The Makers:
Ancient beings, no longer present in the world. There were four factions of the Makers: Iyil, Eld, Si, and Ruyan.
Many of their creations remain, including some people descended from humanoids altered by them. These people are known as made-eyed, because their eyes are silver as a mark of their alteration. All made-eyed can see planar portals(it's important; most are hidden), and some have other abilities.
Other notable remnants of the makers include the Reshaping(a contagious magical effect that changes effected creatures in mysterious ways), the monsters that lurk within harrowed, a magical force called Hollow, and the plane Vour.

Also, a question for those who know the boards better than I: should I apply for a subforum for this?

[Ziegander]

A start on the campaign setting:

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There are numerous different planes, and concealed portals between them are common. Many powerful monsters inhabit the multiverse, and they are not likely to help an inadvertent planar traveler. Once, the Makers protected the sentient races from the dangers of the planes, but, two thousand years ago, they left the world. Now their creations, uncontrolled, are as much of a threat as planar wanderers.

No cohesive civilization exists, as people rarely are willing to leave their home village and risk stumbling across one of the numerous concealed portals, as many powerful monsters inhabit the multiverse, and they are not likely to help an inadvertent planar traveler.
Once, the Makers protected the sentient races from the dangers of the planes, but, two thousand years ago, they left the world. Now their creations, uncontrolled, are as much of a threat as planar wanderers.

Humans fear(for instance) being enslaved by formians, who in turn dread being drafted into the blood war, and even balors and pit fiends fear the epic monsters of some demiplanes.

However travel has its advantages, as even Vour and the Plane of Erosion have valuable resources and benevolent extraplanar beings. Occasionally, a traveller can even find an intact magic item from the time of the Makers.


The Makers:
Ancient beings, no longer present in the world. There were four factions of the Makers: Iyil, Eld, Si, and Ruyan.
Many of their creations remain, including some people descended from humanoids altered by them. These people are known as made-eyed, because their eyes are silver as a mark of their alteration. All made-eyed can see planar portals(it's important; most are hidden), and some have other abilities.
Other notable remnants of the makers include the Reshaping(a contagious magical effect that changes effected creatures in mysterious ways), the monsters that lurk within harrowed, a magical force called Hollow, and the plane Vour.

Also, a question for those who know the boards better than I: should I apply for a subforum for this?

I like it. Very apocalyptic.

I wouldn't apply for a subforum on it yet, not until you have quite a bit more material.

Also, since you've (trial) approved my TWF rules, I might as well see if I can get other rules subsystems approved so I can get as much playtest bang for my buck as possible. I also have rules for Masterwork & Magic Arms/Armor that don't make me cry myself to sleep, as well as rewritten Concentration rules. How would you feel about applying these houserules to them game (And this is actually a question to everyone)?

[VennDygrem]

I've got some character ideas running around so far. Not sure exactly what the party composition is so far, but I'd probably be looking at trying Oslecamo's Illurien or maybe try DonQuixote's Impulse Mage, possibly aiming at venturing into Darkened One or Chaos Shaper.

I might also happen across some other class I may want to try, but I sense I need to lock something down. Largely my choices depend on how the party is made up. Too many casters or too many melee could be awkward.

[Ziegander]

Well, I could be wrong, but I don't know if anyone's called a full-out caster yet. There have been a couple players expressing interest in Don Quixote's spellshapers, and I think someone was interested in playing a homebrewed incarnum class, but nothing that full on casts spells.

[sirpercival]

Yeah, I'm in the same boat as Venn.  I think I have it narrowed down (currently) to 4 ideas:

1) Warpsoul/Soulfused Transcendant.  Mostly a debuffer, but kind of a swiss army knife because incarnum.
2) Gerudo.  Kind of a cross between a Swordsage and a Hexblade.
3) Crystal Mage.  Gishy wizard.
4) Thaumaturgist/Ritual Mage.  God-wizard style.

What I choose depends on (a) the rest of the party, (b) what I play in Tshern's game, and (c) blarglarglrlgeijwr. snrk.

As far as houserules, I'm working on a set of houserules for my own campaigns based on the Magipunk houserules, which people seem to like (they've been referenced in other threads).  I'll include them here for your perusal.

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General

• Whenever there is an effect based on one-half of an ability modifier (when the modifier is odd), round down if you have an even ability score, and up if you have an odd ability score.  This grants a very minor benefit to having odd ability scores, and makes things scale more smoothly.  For example, a character with a 20 or 21 Strength wielding a greatsword would do either 2d6+7 or 2d6+8 damage, respectively.
• The number of iterative attacks is determined as normal, but all extra iterative attacks are treated similarly to secondary natural attacks (max penalty of -5, and reduced by Multistrike and Improved Multistrike [based on Multiattack and Improved Multiattack]).

Skills

• Use Rich Burlew's Diplomacy.
  

Feats

• Toughness now grants the effect of Improved Toughness.  There is no Improved Toughness.
• Weapon Focus grants the benefit of WS at 4HD, GWF at 8HD, and GWS at 12HD.  All three of those feats no longer exist.
• Two Weapon Fighting grants you a number of offhand attacks equal to the number of main hand attacks you are entitled to, and does not impose additional to hit penalties for a one handed weapon in the off hand.  ITWF and GTWF therefore do not exist.
• Two Weapon Defense provides a Competence bonus to AC equal to the number of mainhand attacks you can make derived from BAB (i.e., +2 at BAB +6, etc.).
• All three of the feats that give +2 to a save still do, except that if your base save bonus of that type is at least +6 you also no longer auto fail saves of that type on a natural 1. You must still actually roll high enough to save normally.
• Devotion feats grant an additional use for every 5HD.

Equipment

• Spending gold for enhancement bonuses sucks. So, let's not.  Instead, you can enchant a masterwork weapon, armor, or shield directly with properties, instead of needing a +1 enhancement bonus first.  Each property grants an enhancement bonus to the item equal to the plus of the property.  For example, a keen flaming longsword functions as +3 (+2 from keen and +1 from flaming), and a ghost ward shield has a +1 enhancement bonus.  The maximum total bonus on equipment is still +10, meaning you can get up to a +10 enhancement bonus.

[VennDygrem]

I think there are a couple people with potential full-casting. If Osle chooses Ghaele, they get pretty much full cleric casting, if I remember properly.

Also, I don't run by a lot of interesting looking caster homebrew. Mostly because Wizard/Cleric/Druid are pretty good as they are.

[Ziegander]

I think there are a couple people with potential full-casting. If Osle chooses Ghaele, they get pretty much full cleric casting, if I remember properly.

Ah, I should check out the Ghaele then... EDIT: Oh, wow. That is intense. Full BAB, full Favored Soul casting, lots of powerful class features, ability score buffs, and lots of additional SLAs. Wouldn't this easily qualify as Tier 2?

Also, I don't run by a lot of interesting looking caster homebrew. Mostly because Wizard/Cleric/Druid are pretty good as they are.

My Warmage, Beguiler, and Priest could always use playtesting (including the modifications to the various spells on their lists)! Oh, and my new Red Mage should be pretty fun! Maybe one of more of those will strike your fancy?

[VennDygrem]

I like your Red Mage but as far as casting goes I don't feel like keeping track of prepared spells. Really, that many spells in general. Versatility is nice, and I might reconsider it for something else, but I'm not sure now's the time. I also think your Warmage is an improvement, and think the others are interesting in their own right, but don't really jump out at me for this game. Not really sure what I'm going for, I guess.

[Ziegander]

I like your Red Mage but as far as casting goes I don't feel like keeping track of prepared spells. Really, that many spells in general. Versatility is nice, and I might reconsider it for something else, but I'm not sure now's the time. I also think your Warmage is an improvement, and think the others are interesting in their own right, but don't really jump out at me for this game. Not really sure what I'm going for, I guess.

Hey, no problem, just thought I'd toss them out there. If anyone else is interested in a homebrew full-caster, they're up there for perusal.

[Quillwraith]

I've got some character ideas running around so far. Not sure exactly what the party composition is so far, but I'd probably be looking at trying Oslecamo's Illurien

Illurien rather seems like the Ruyan's style, something the makers might have had to do with.

[VennDygrem]

I've got some character ideas running around so far. Not sure exactly what the party composition is so far, but I'd probably be looking at trying Oslecamo's Illurien

Illurien rather seems like the Ruyan's style, something the makers might have had to do with.

Is that good or bad?

From what I can tell, Illurien does fit with that last paragraph you mentioned (what with a shifting body made of silvery "water" and the ability to call a portal to her own private dwelling). Possibly one of those "made-eyed" except she was too self-involved, too selfish and self-motivated. Not a good tool.

[Schizek]

If you still have a room for more players I would be interested to play Indigo Trickster:
http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=2426.0

I have a questions:
1. Lesser versions from PGtF are allowed ?
2. What sources we can use for feats/races/spells ?
3. Can I use http://www.myth-weavers.com/forumhome.php for posting character sheet?

Edit. I would be something around Stealth+Combat.

[Quillwraith]

Is that good or bad?

From what I can tell, Illurien does fit with that last paragraph you mentioned (what with a shifting body made of silvery "water" and the ability to call a portal to her own private dwelling). Possibly one of those "made-eyed" except she was too self-involved, too selfish and self-motivated. Not a good tool.

She could be severely affected by the Reshaping, but somehow not contagious, but made-eyed is more likely. Many were more experiments than tools. I'll write rules for the made-eyed tomorrow.

If you still have a room for more players I would be interested to play Indigo Trickster:
http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=2426.0

There's ~6 players already, but it depends whether some people are still interested.

[Schizek]

There's ~6 players already, but it depends whether some people are still interested.

I will create this Indigo Trickster If someone resign in middle of game I can just jump in .

Will you allow this skill ? http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=1805

[VennDygrem]

I've got a good start on my character now. Just trying to figure out some feats. Unique class features and such can make that more difficult.

[littha]

I like your Red Mage but as far as casting goes I don't feel like keeping track of prepared spells. Really, that many spells in general. Versatility is nice, and I might reconsider it for something else, but I'm not sure now's the time. I also think your Warmage is an improvement, and think the others are interesting in their own right, but don't really jump out at me for this game. Not really sure what I'm going for, I guess.

Hey, no problem, just thought I'd toss them out there. If anyone else is interested in a homebrew full-caster, they're up there for perusal.

I also have the Scholar if we need more casters. Though that is more like a Sorcerer/Favoured Soul/Mystic Theurge.

[samnemath]

OK. Although the dementist is very interesting, I decided to go with Sublime Shaper since it is much more likely to find its way in my RL game.

So, I will be playing Sublime Shaper with Ziegander's Two-Weapon Fix (Chance to test them out in practice).
Going for two-dagger wielding with Shadow Hand, Thrashing Dragon maneuvers, and Brilliant Dawn, Blustering Gale formulas.
Not sure how it will turn out (not very good at optimizing) but I am going for a sneaky mobile fighter with limited support and battlefield control capabilities.

I will likely play strongheart halfling but do any of you have any other hombrew suggestions. Any interesting races that fill some of these criteria?
- small
- more than two hands
- boosts Dex
- boosts Cha


Imagine this but with regular daggers

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[sirpercival]

Lesser D'hin'ni is small and boosts Dex and Cha, according to the Master Player Race List.  Plus, Prestidigitation at will.

[sirpercival]

(sorry about double post)

Just to organize, right now we have:

~Osle with a Ghaele divine gish
~Venn with an Illurien (mostly melee? I can't tell)
~Zieg with a TWFighter
~Sam with a TWF sublime shaper
~Harald with a FLAMEspeaker
~me and littha with who knows
(~schiz with an indigo trickster)
((~fire with a ritual char))

So it seems we need more casting than anything else.  I'll axe the Gerudo and Crystal Mage ideas, as being too similar to others.

I guess I'll start working up a Thaumaturge/Ritual Mage.  Can you vet those, Quill?

EDIT: And how do you feel about Item Familiars?

EDIT2: Actually, wait on Ritual Mage -- I need to update it.