[3.5, TO] About Psions being more broken than Wizards

[Azrael]

Good try through, through I'd scrutinize everything you've ever read off GitP before ever trying to use it.

You're not getting off that easily, I understand subtlety well and this pretty much reads "good try copying something off another board but you're in the big leagues now". You're simultaneously being condescending and demeaning my min-maxing by accusing me of copying it from some board that I rarely ever read.

1. It's not just a specific spell, every epic spell listed in that section that uses rituals lists them as components, it's not a mistake, rituals are obviously intended to be spell components. You can argue against it if you wish but all the evidence supports my point.

2. I don't know what you're talking about with SLA's, have you ever even read dwe's supernatural spell ability. First of all it turns it into a SU not SLA (otherwise it would allow SR and it doesn't), secondly it specifically states in plain English in the description of the ability that any spell cast as a supernatural spell no longer has any components.

[SorO_Lost]

You're not getting off that easily

Getting off of what, your accusations that I might be an ass? Meh. Way to show how your thirteen years of lurking paid off, I'm pretty sure there are so many threads of me saying I am at this point I might be on page one of google search.

All through, reading between the lines the fact that you had to rephrase of my sentence in order to support your irrelevant strawman suggests the original text wasn't good enough. I think deep down you knew you had to explain to the crowd what it could mean just to create a foundation for your rebuttal. And I'm pretty sure this isn't the first time you've failed to do such.

In any case as you just mentioned, it's an Su not an SLA. And unlike the SLA entry that excludes some Components the Supernatural Abilities entry doesn't exclude any component of them. Dweomerkeeper does and it only says Material/Focus, so I guess your lack of thought you want to put into the subject means I'm going to have to repeat my self a bunch won't I?

You know, I think I'd rather watch paint dry.

[Azrael]

I didn't rephrase anything, I merely interpreted the meaning behind it. You can call it a straw man if you want, but that's how it came off. And since your default reputation is that of an ass, I defaulted to not giving you the benefit of the doubt (something you earn by being nice, but you clearly haven't learned that lesson).

As for the dweomerkeeper, you're still wrong (and your inability to admit it is also telling). Why don't you actually bring up your copy of the more divinity we and actually read the description. It says "any components", it doesn't even mention them individually as you claim, which means there's two possibilities, either you didn't actually read it and you're completely making up your quotes, or we have two different versions of MD.

Regardless, the class ability (that I'm reading) clearly states in plain English that it doesn't require "any components", that means zero, zip, nadda, including ritual components of any epic spells you cast using the ability.

Checkmate.