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Anything for doing melee in an AoE style?
« on: February 09, 2017, 04:12:58 AM »
Melee builds that play like AoE spells. I.e: Whirlwind Attack. Except are there any other similar kinds of options? Like hitting everything you move past or whatever.




Or is there any methods of gaining a full attack action without using a fullround action?
Because I just noticed Whirlwind Attack doesn't actually require a fullround action, simply activating in place of a fullattack action.

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Re: Anything for doing melee in an AoE style?
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2017, 06:05:06 AM »
Hi Ketaro,

the first that comes to mind is the war hulk (miniatures handbook) which gets the ability to attack a few squares adjacent to each other at level 2 and finish at level 10 to be able to attack every square he threatens in a standard action.

Otherwise you have a few maneuvers from ToB that allows you to attack multiple targets at once, or do a whirlwind attack equivalent but in standard action (AFB so I might need confirmation on that one).

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Re: Anything for doing melee in an AoE style?
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2017, 12:54:54 PM »
Like hitting everything you move past or whatever.
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but that's not what you're looking for, I guess


There are several manouvers that act similar to a whirlwind or affect an area. I have nothing to do right now so I'll try to build a list (with little formatting) in case you want to write a mini-handbook.

Desert Wind
This schoold has a lot of AoE, but most are more resembling of spells than melee attacks
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Devoted Spirit
6: Rallying Strike - strike an opponent, heal allies in a burst (3d6+IL, max +15)
7: Castigating Strike - strike an opponent with different alignment from yours, cause an AoE centered on him (8d6 to him, 5d6 to others, -2 to hit for one minute on a failed save)
Iron Heart
1: Steel Wind - make two attacks against different foes you threaten
4: Mithral Tornado - make one melee attack against each adjacent foe with an extra +2 to hit
7: Scything Blade - if you hit on your first melee attack, get a free melee attack against a different foe you threaten
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Adamantine Hurricane - as Mithral Tornado, but two attacks per foe at +4 bonus
Lightning Throw - attack a 30' line, deal an extra 12d6
Setting Sun
6: Ballista Throw - trip foe, throw him 60' away and deal 6d6 damage to each creature on hit's trajectory
Stone Dragon
5: Mountain Avalanche - trample for 2d6+1.5*STR
8: Earthstrike Quake - knock prone every creature in a 20' burst

I think I missed a couple. I only read the short description to get the list, then checked effect with full description.


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methods of gaining a full attack action without using a fullround action?
First things coming to my mind are pounce and ways to get more than one charge per round, e.g. Restricted Activity clause, page 27 of rules compendium, + a swift action that grants an extra standard, the sudden leap dirty trick, et cetera.

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Re: Anything for doing melee in an AoE style?
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2017, 02:06:43 PM »
Off the top of my head, War Mind and a Binder binding Paimon.
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Re: Anything for doing melee in an AoE style?
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2017, 04:02:35 PM »
Literally Area Attack is a very poor possibility :p

There are pseudo-effects like Pounce was mentioned but the most basic version is Spring Attack / Bounding Assault / Rapid Blitz. The Everburning Chain technically describes it's self as an overhead spin that deals 1d6 fire to a 10ft area and it specifically ignites things so Pyro applies. And if you're specifically asking for Phantasy Star, the Versatile Upgrade (super robot) adds Area to one of your Mech's Built-In melee weapons.

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Re: Anything for doing melee in an AoE style?
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2017, 05:07:33 PM »
Hulking Hurler is Melee Throwing, not the same but in the neighborhood.


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Re: Anything for doing melee in an AoE style?
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2017, 05:11:29 PM »
:p could that be a MssrViolet , MrPurple ?
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Re: Anything for doing melee in an AoE style?
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2017, 05:57:56 PM »
Off the top of my head, War Mind and a Binder binding Paimon.
Came here to suggest these two... didn't think of combining them. Good idea!
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Re: Anything for doing melee in an AoE style?
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2017, 08:08:06 PM »
Great Cleave and a reach weapon - remember you can take your 5' step in between attacks to keep the cleaving going.

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Or is there any methods of gaining a full attack action without using a fullround action?

The magic item Chronocharm of the Horizon Walker (MIC-86) allows you to use a swift action to move half your distance.  Usable only 1/day, but it's only 500gp each, and you can wear as many as you want.


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Re: Anything for doing melee in an AoE style?
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2017, 08:54:36 PM »
The magic item Chronocharm of the Horizon Walker (MIC-86) allows you to use a swift action to move half your distance.  Usable only 1/day, but it's only 500gp each, and you can wear as many as you want.
You can wear multiple Chronocharms but only one of each.
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Re: Anything for doing melee in an AoE style?
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2017, 10:42:58 PM »
oops.  My bad

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Re: Anything for doing melee in an AoE style?
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2017, 12:22:25 PM »
Great Cleave and a reach weapon - remember you can take your 5' step in between attacks to keep the cleaving going.

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Or is there any methods of gaining a full attack action without using a fullround action?

The magic item Chronocharm of the Horizon Walker (MIC-86) allows you to use a swift action to move half your distance.  Usable only 1/day, but it's only 500gp each, and you can wear as many as you want.

The 5ft step between cleaves ability is also not on Great Cleave, but on Supreme Cleave which is restricted to a PrC class ability.


But I have discovered you can apparently use Whirlwind Attack at the end of a Pounce.......

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Re: Anything for doing melee in an AoE style?
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2017, 12:30:15 PM »
But I have discovered you can apparently use Whirlwind Attack at the end of a Pounce.......
Yep.

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Re: Anything for doing melee in an AoE style?
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2017, 12:47:05 PM »
Welp, thank ya'll! A lot of these ideas help~  :D

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Re: Anything for doing melee in an AoE style?
« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2017, 05:23:38 PM »
The magic item Chronocharm of the Horizon Walker (MIC-86) allows you to use a swift action to move half your distance.  Usable only 1/day, but it's only 500gp each, and you can wear as many as you want.
You can wear multiple Chronocharms but only one of each.

So, swap out after you use them. Takes up actions to 'wear' and 'unwear' them, but theoretically should work.

have your familiar (monkey, or construct with hands, or even a really small party member/cohort) carry a bunch, and have the job of removing them and putting them on you after each use.

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Re: Anything for doing melee in an AoE style?
« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2017, 07:25:39 PM »
The magic item Chronocharm of the Horizon Walker (MIC-86) allows you to use a swift action to move half your distance.  Usable only 1/day, but it's only 500gp each, and you can wear as many as you want.
You can wear multiple Chronocharms but only one of each.

So, swap out after you use them. Takes up actions to 'wear' and 'unwear' them, but theoretically should work.

have your familiar (monkey, or construct with hands, or even a really small party member/cohort) carry a bunch, and have the job of removing them and putting them on you after each use.

They noticed that loophole. Chronocharms must be worn for 24 hours before you gain the ability to use them.
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Re: Anything for doing melee in an AoE style?
« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2017, 10:04:32 AM »
oh, right, i forgot about that. bleh.

i suppose it would come down to if "wearing" has to be in the requisite item slot or not. otherwise you could 'wear' it on some part of your body, and then transfer it to the item slot part without taking it off. or figure out a way to craft them without any item slot dependencies.

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Re: Anything for doing melee in an AoE style?
« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2017, 06:23:30 PM »
No mention of Sweeping Strikes?
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Re: Anything for doing melee in an AoE style?
« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2017, 02:16:58 PM »
Pyro-kineticist PrC 1 (upgrade with the Sono- variant in mind's eye)
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Re: Anything for doing melee in an AoE style?
« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2017, 09:27:48 PM »
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