DL Nightstalker

[awaken_D_M_golem]

This one looks interesting.  Especially since you don't have  to be a Kender.
Don't have real access right now, 1 web site has some of it.


Basic chassis is Adept +1.
Add in Trapfinding early, some facey later.
2/3rds Cleric casting, shortened list, w/ Rebuke at level 4.
DMM tricks are possible but delayed and at greater expense.

More tasty :
Necro + Div greatest hits from both Cleric and Wiz ; and DMM can apply to that.

Most tasty :
the Ghosts are basically Thrallherd with less assembly line slaughter


Overall I think it's competitive + functional thru level 7 and
solidly a strong Tier 3 with nothing really gamebreaking.
Far fewer decision trees to process, but still a touch complicated for new players.

Impressions ??

[Arz]

Whispers and advanced learning are far too few. Also the ghostly cohort's only plus is the template which it gets for free, otherwise it gets weaker as you advance in level.

I'd say its more in the tier 4 range.

[awaken_D_M_golem]

hmm, noticed bad source conflict on Rebuke vs it actually being Command Undead.
Can you clarify that this isn't Rebuke?
If so DMM is still possible via dip or prc, slightly more'more expensive.

I read the ghosts as being 1 ecl behind Leadership or the 1st Thrall.
Surely the Ghost Template makes up for that.
Being 1 more level down for both Ghosts at level 12, yeah
I'll give you that, bordering on not survivable, Pally Mount-ish, rarely Turning.

Advanced Learning is a retraining target, or PsyRef for higher powered games.
Encourages a decent sized golf bag.


googled around, and Gorfnab said he was working on a guide
around the time he did the Easy Bake Wizard.
Perhaps he has some random notes.

[gorfnab]

googled around, and Gorfnab said he was working on a guide
around the time he did the Easy Bake Wizard.
Perhaps he has some random notes.

I had completely forgotten about this. I guess I will be writing a handbook now. Any input would be welcomed.

[awaken_D_M_golem]

Ah, the Summon Gorfnab spell worked.
Noticed some activity on your part, figured to point that out.
You could just post your notes unsifted.  Save some work that way.
No pressure. 

X-Codes comments here:
http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=1852.msg18944#msg18944

Tiers decided on making it a 4, with some claims of 3.
I think that makes a good range between no-opt and serious c.o.-ing.

DavidWL points out this can supersede Ghost prog entirely,
that you play a Nightstalker and get a better ghost earlier.

Wizard God's Tools series has the Wiz Necro + Div spells.
But I'm not really finding a solid listing for Clerics (giantitp might idk).

Pretty sure it's Rebuke and not Command Undead (iffy internet sources blah).

[PlzBreakMyCampaign]

Did you check my base class & Tier information thread?

I like the class, but its not overpowering or anything.

[awaken_D_M_golem]

Yes.
If leadership is tier 3 all by itself,
the Ghosts have to be in that neighborhood. 
Thrallherd is +2, same argument.

Bearsrbrown points to similar casting as Warmage, means
the Divine eligible list tack-ons, from Play It The Right Way guide.

[awaken_D_M_golem]

Link to the Wiz Div + Necro list guide, starts 3 posts down :
http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=394.20

List of Cleric Necro spells, not sorted :
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showsinglepost.php?p=21722706&postcount=4

Link to Guidance Of The Avatar spell :
http://archive.wizards.com/dnd/article.asp?x=dnd/sb/sb20010504a

[PlzBreakMyCampaign]

Link to the Wiz Div + Necro list guide, starts 3 posts down :
http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=394.20

That one was copied over here, but there are still a lot of entries on the index that say "BG - " because no one has copied over the formating. Isn't this bad? Aren't the old boards still going to die?

EDIT: post boards resurrection, BG will stay alive indefinitely, it appears. Yay?

[awaken_D_M_golem]

Link to the Ghost Handbook --- which isn't quite the same in DL Nightstalker context.
http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=2658


PLZ true most of that guide was ported, though not the spells analysis.

... but there are still a lot of entries on the index that say "BG - " because no one has copied over the formating. Isn't this bad? Aren't the old boards still going to die?

Good question, one that needs to be worked out with the old/new regime change-over.