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Re: Anime & Manga 4: Brotherhood
« Reply #560 on: November 20, 2012, 11:12:50 AM »
What are we talking about again? >.>

I mean, I thought it was pick the one of two and I took it as annoying fanservice is annoying. Now it's everyone is a pedophile and historically Japan are repressed people that deserve loli porn? wtf.

It's more like, Loli is fucked up because it's, in the end, a drawn representation of sexual fantasies that involve impubescent girls, meaning, it's drawn child porn. Granted, loli fanservice is something like softcore child porn. Like those russian websites where they have children in bikinis and shit. But it's still fucked up that something that normally is considered to be a serious psychological flaw is so mainstream in anime and manga in Japan.
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Re: Anime & Manga 4: Brotherhood
« Reply #561 on: November 20, 2012, 09:24:11 PM »
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Re: Anime & Manga 4: Brotherhood
« Reply #562 on: November 20, 2012, 09:50:46 PM »
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Re: Anime & Manga 4: Brotherhood
« Reply #563 on: November 20, 2012, 10:08:01 PM »
What are we talking about again? >.>

I mean, I thought it was pick the one of two and I took it as annoying fanservice is annoying. Now it's everyone is a pedophile and historically Japan are repressed people that deserve loli porn? wtf.

It's more like, Loli is fucked up because it's, in the end, a drawn representation of sexual fantasies that involve impubescent girls, meaning, it's drawn child porn. Granted, loli fanservice is something like softcore child porn. Like those russian websites where they have children in bikinis and shit. But it's still fucked up that something that normally is considered to be a serious psychological flaw is so mainstream in anime and manga in Japan.

Is there no one who will stand up for the poor oppressed lolicons?  :bigeyes

Seriously though, it's not actually hurting anyone so what's the matter? Unless you're going to say that drawn representations of loli's contribute to actual child pornography in which case couldn't you also say the same thing for violent videogames causing RL killings?

I don't know of any studies tracing correlations between reading manga or watching anime with loli's in them and actually going out and molesting children but I do know of many manga and anime whose creators have loli's put in them (Prisma Illya, Disgaea) and yet seem like happy, well adjusted people who would never do such a thing.
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Re: Anime & Manga 4: Brotherhood
« Reply #564 on: November 23, 2012, 07:02:26 PM »
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Re: Anime & Manga 4: Brotherhood
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Re: Anime & Manga 4: Brotherhood
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Re: Anime & Manga 4: Brotherhood
« Reply #567 on: December 02, 2012, 05:23:19 PM »
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Bleach died for me after Aizen was caged. Should've ended then and there... But no, someone's gotta make money. Reading your opinions don't help much either... Seems like it's becoming more confusing as it goes.
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Re: Anime & Manga 4: Brotherhood
« Reply #568 on: December 03, 2012, 12:14:29 PM »
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Bleach died for me after Aizen was caged. Should've ended then and there... But no, someone's gotta make money. Reading your opinions don't help much either... Seems like it's becoming more confusing as it goes.

I haven't seen anything after the end of the Aizen arc.  But, I would respectfully disagree.  They have this huge, arc-spanning thing with Ichigo's relationship to Hollows and his own version of it, as well as what the hell the backstory with him actually is.  It would be nice if they ... y'know, addressed that at all and really brought that fruition. 

The sense I'm getting is that, of course, they don't, which is a shame.  And, it sounds like they are doing their damnedest to kill what was a pretty decent anime.

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Re: Anime & Manga 4: Brotherhood
« Reply #569 on: December 03, 2012, 04:15:59 PM »
So far, rather than clarifying the already mysterious past, they just add even more mysterious past to it.

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Re: Anime & Manga 4: Brotherhood
« Reply #570 on: December 03, 2012, 04:41:05 PM »
I thought they'd already explained it. Hollows are human souls that didn't make it to soul society and were trapped on earth for one reason or another. Ichigo's father is a spirit, but his mother was a human. His spirit wasn't fully bound to earth, and a part of it (the shinigami one) wanted to go to soul society. But he remained on earth for so long, a part of him became hollowfied. But not enough to manifest. It was only after he unlocked his latent spiritual potential that his hollow self (which also feeds on his spiritual force), became strong enough to manifest itself, exacerbated by the ritual to force the reawakening of his shinigami powers in the beggining of the series. As he became more and more reliant upon his Hollow self, his shinigami powers were shrunk, until he defeated his hollow self and rebalanced his spiritual force, becoming a full fledged Vizard.

The way i see it, that's 2/3 of Ichigo explained. The other 1/3, his human part, has yet to be tapped to it's full potential, by using Quincy powers. Which from what i gather from SorO_LoSt, is already happening atm in the series.


That's all fine and dandy, but the Aizen arc was just TOO GODDAMN LONG. When it finally came to closure, EVERYONE expected it to *finish*, rather than go on. Nobody even expected that the series would go on after he lost his Shinigami powers.

It was just too perfect of an ending to the series... The big bad guy defeated, the balance on soul society restored, no more human meddling on soul society affairs, the three worlds fully separated once more, with just minor cracks that the ordinary shinigami could deal with, just like it was before Aizen. Ichigo as a human once more, living happily with his school life with his purpose fulfilled.

I thought to myself: What else could there be? I wouldn't even have thought of Ichigo *ever* gaining even a measure of Quincy power, or of ever attempting to regain his Shinigami powers again.

But of course, a Deus Ex Machina had to happen, because people had to make more money.

THIS is what irks me most. Aizen trapped was a perfect ending to a very good series. They could've rebooted the franchise with another protagonist, in the future, or made a prequel about the story of the soul society in it's begginings or hundreds of other things to make more money and new series...

But the cow was too fat, and it was still fattening, and so they had to keep it going. In my personal experience, this leads to BAD things. Just look at Dragonball GT. Heck, even the Majin Boo arc felt stretched thin.

If they wanted a ultra long term series, they had to go the way One Piece went: something like a neverending story. For all i know, the One Piece is just a MacGuffin Gol D. Roger invented to keep the pirate age going. But we don't know that. Actually, we don't know shit. All we know is that Luffy is going to find it, and kick over 9000 kinds of ass while doing it. And THAT'S the focus of the series. The overarching plot is so... overarching, that it fades out of focus to give way to the action in the series. Every arc is memorable, and every villain, too, and the world is just so vast and weird and strange we don't know what to expect next. Basically, everything goes.

But Bleach has a finite setting, just like Naruto does. And Bleach continuing after Aizen feels just like Naruto continuing after he becomes Hokage.

Would it feel natural? Would it feel O.K?

All the fans were expecting a "The End" screen after Aizen died. People were expecting *exactly* that for *YEARS*. Just like they're expecting Naruto to end after he becomes the undisputable hero of the Great Ninja War and becomes Hokage.

It's been over an year and i'm still full of rage over Bleach not ending with Aizen, but maybe i'll get over it, eventually, if i find that it has become any good. Maybe i'll even grab a few episodes and see what it's turning out like. But GODDAMN if i don't have my reasons for thinking the way i do.
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Re: Anime & Manga 4: Brotherhood
« Reply #571 on: December 03, 2012, 04:55:21 PM »
I didn't actually read this b/c I got the sense that it probably deserved a spoilers tag, especially since I'm nowhere near "current" in Bleach land.

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Re: Anime & Manga 4: Brotherhood
« Reply #572 on: December 04, 2012, 06:04:57 AM »
I didn't actually read this b/c I got the sense that it probably deserved a spoilers tag, especially since I'm nowhere near "current" in Bleach land.

I couldn't even spoiler current bleach land if i tried because i stopped watching after Aizen was imprisoned...
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Re: Anime & Manga 4: Brotherhood
« Reply #573 on: December 04, 2012, 09:13:01 AM »
^ except you spoiler mentioned Ichigo gaining Quincy powers, which hasn't happened in the time I've been watching -- up to the conclusion of the Aizen Arc. 

So, yeah, tags or something.  It's not too much to ask when someone makes it clear that they aren't up "to date."  Ditto for your mention of Naruto, not that that's much of a spoiler, but currently Naruto's anime is mired in the middle of the Great Ninja War.  SorO hid his behind a tag, which I didn't read. 

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Re: Anime & Manga 4: Brotherhood
« Reply #574 on: December 04, 2012, 03:59:25 PM »
I hide mine behind tags because they really are chapter summeries.

Now on explaining things, f*ck no Tite hasn't done that. I can offer up some help there. As I mentioned before, the entire series is about combining powers in various ways and that's the simplest explanation.

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Re: Anime & Manga 4: Brotherhood
« Reply #575 on: December 06, 2012, 04:13:48 AM »
Hey guys!

Sorry to interrupt but you are the only ones that may help me with this.

Im looking for an anime/animated movie That I saw a long time ago and scared me sh**less when I was a kid.

I remember it being about some guy with glasses and a police woman, who was hunting down a medusa-like girl.
The woman explained that some time ago, there were this pop star sisters with lot of fans that turned into monsters (I dont know  if it was because of a disease or something) with the ability to turn people into stone.
Thinking about the similarities with the medusa's myth, she blindfolds herself and (armed with a katana) enters a shady dark building with the guy.
A swat-like strike team enters the building and attacks the monsters, but gets petrified.
While the policewoman fights a monster, the guy stumbles upon one of the sisters and realises that he can see her without getting petrified, and that is her song which will kill him.
In the end, they both end up turned to stone. And that's all I remember.


Of course, thanks for your help guys! And i hope someone can tell me what did i watched :P

Thanks,
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Re: Anime & Manga 4: Brotherhood
« Reply #576 on: December 06, 2012, 01:39:11 PM »
Now on explaining things, f*ck no Tite hasn't done that. I can offer up some help there. As I mentioned before, the entire series is about combining powers in various ways and that's the simplest explanation.
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I often get the feeling that anime/manga writers often create better worlds/characters than they deserve.  Naruto may be the best example of this.  They really should hand this stuff off to other people, although I feel like I heard somewhere (from Crispin Freeman I think) that part of it is due to culture -- it's hard for someone in the organization to tell Tite Kubo that such and such is a dumbfuck stupid idea.

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Re: Anime & Manga 4: Brotherhood
« Reply #577 on: December 06, 2012, 01:52:30 PM »
That's the editor's job. Trouble is, if the author gets too swollen a head (for example, if his series is doing good financially) he might not listen to it. Then there's stuff like deadlines and such...

Read Bakuman. It'll give you an idea how that kind of industry operates.
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Re: Anime & Manga 4: Brotherhood
« Reply #578 on: December 06, 2012, 08:16:57 PM »
Indeed we may call him a "dumbfuck", but then he's a "dumbfuck" with a relatively stable good-paying job and plenty of fans out there, so I don't believe we're in the right position to critisize him. People buy his product like hotcakes, and that's what ultimately ends to the company.

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Re: Anime & Manga 4: Brotherhood
« Reply #579 on: December 06, 2012, 09:09:01 PM »
Indeed we may call him a "dumbfuck", but then he's a "dumbfuck" with a relatively stable good-paying job and plenty of fans out there, so I don't believe we're in the right position to critisize him. People buy his product like hotcakes, and that's what ultimately ends to the company.
With all due respect, that's dumb.  That means that the only person capable of engaging in literary or other artistic criticism are multi-millionaires.  Several hundred years of inciteful insight serves as a counterexample.  Also, it would imply that, e.g., the Transformers movies, are unimpeachably good.  Reductio ad absurdum.