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Re: Are poor classes the cause of a glut of PrCs?
« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2011, 11:38:34 AM »
actually wizards don't get new spells when they enter spellcasting progressing prestige classes...

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Re: Are poor classes the cause of a glut of PrCs?
« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2011, 04:15:55 PM »
I think that ~90% of the PrCs are complete garbage
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Re: Are poor classes the cause of a glut of PrCs?
« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2011, 04:57:10 PM »
I think that ~90% of the PrCs are complete garbage

This is true.

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Re: Are poor classes the cause of a glut of PrCs?
« Reply #23 on: December 10, 2011, 11:35:56 PM »
I think that ~90% of the PrCs are complete garbage
This is true.
actually all prcs for wizards are complete garbage, since they technically don't get more spells from a prc...

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Re: Are poor classes the cause of a glut of PrCs?
« Reply #24 on: December 10, 2011, 11:47:10 PM »
I think that ~90% of the PrCs are complete garbage
This is true.
actually all prcs for wizards are complete garbage, since they technically don't get more spells from a prc...
The monetary costs of purchasing scrolls and inscribing them in your spellbook are fairly small, relative to the gain of, say, incantatrix.

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Re: Are poor classes the cause of a glut of PrCs?
« Reply #25 on: December 10, 2011, 11:52:24 PM »
The monetary costs of purchasing scrolls and inscribing them in your spellbook are fairly small, relative to the gain of, say, incantatrix.
dm dependancy...

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Re: Are poor classes the cause of a glut of PrCs?
« Reply #26 on: December 11, 2011, 12:03:38 AM »
Woot?! Wizards don't get new spells when PrCing? :huh
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Re: Are poor classes the cause of a glut of PrCs?
« Reply #27 on: December 11, 2011, 01:39:54 AM »
Master Specialist (Complete Mage) says in the Expanded Spellbook entry that these spells are in addition to the spells a Wizard learns for PrC levels.

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Re: Are poor classes the cause of a glut of PrCs?
« Reply #28 on: December 11, 2011, 02:17:55 AM »
I think that ~90% of the PrCs are complete garbage
This is true.
actually all prcs for wizards are complete garbage, since they technically don't get more spells from a prc...
I'll bite. Do explain.
However, if its really just  some "techinicality", I hope its something big and not something petty.
So yeah what do you mean, by this exactly?
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Re: Are poor classes the cause of a glut of PrCs?
« Reply #29 on: December 11, 2011, 08:09:01 AM »
He means that he is wrong.

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Re: Are poor classes the cause of a glut of PrCs?
« Reply #30 on: December 11, 2011, 12:13:52 PM »
I think that ~90% of the PrCs are complete garbage
This is true.
actually all prcs for wizards are complete garbage, since they technically don't get more spells from a prc...
I'll bite. Do explain.
However, if its really just  some "techinicality", I hope its something big and not something petty.
So yeah what do you mean, by this exactly?
the wizard gets his spells via his spellbook class feature, not via his spellcasting class feature. now think about it... a class which advances spellcasting, but does not mention a spellbook class feature in any way, does advance the spellcasting class feature, but not the spellbook class feature. thus, a wizard technically does not gain new spells on level up when using prestige classes.

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Re: Are poor classes the cause of a glut of PrCs?
« Reply #31 on: December 11, 2011, 03:44:14 PM »
the wizard gets his spells via his spellbook class feature, not via his spellcasting class feature. now think about it... a class which advances spellcasting, but does not mention a spellbook class feature in any way, does advance the spellcasting class feature, but not the spellbook class feature. thus, a wizard technically does not gain new spells on level up when using prestige classes.

So me ten DMs who enforce that technicality.
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Re: Are poor classes the cause of a glut of PrCs?
« Reply #32 on: December 11, 2011, 03:47:10 PM »
So me ten DMs who enforce that technicality.
well, i've never said that anyone rules this way, but it's RAW. *shrug*

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Re: Are poor classes the cause of a glut of PrCs?
« Reply #33 on: December 12, 2011, 11:07:00 PM »
That is an elegant solution. What about those strange wizards without spellbooks? iirc it works out the same tho

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Re: Are poor classes the cause of a glut of PrCs?
« Reply #34 on: December 13, 2011, 01:02:24 AM »
Well, you can probably consider the bulk of PrCs that advanced spellcasting being too good to begin with. You get all your class features and then some. Either allow non-casters the same privilege or crack down on that sort of thing.
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Re: Are poor classes the cause of a glut of PrCs?
« Reply #35 on: December 13, 2011, 08:06:53 AM »
So how does this interact with the PrC's that say you gain new "spells known" as blah blah blah?  Doesn't a wizard only know the spells in his spellbook?
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Re: Are poor classes the cause of a glut of PrCs?
« Reply #36 on: December 13, 2011, 09:14:52 AM »
A wizard knows the spells in his spellbook, but his actual spells known are progressed by his spellbook class feature which the PrCs don't care about. However its not exactly expensive to stock up...
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Re: Are poor classes the cause of a glut of PrCs?
« Reply #37 on: December 13, 2011, 09:38:54 AM »
However its not exactly expensive to stock up...
depends on the game... some dms tend to rule that you can't just buy some obscure spell from some splatbook, but you can learn it on level up.