Author Topic: [3.5] [Weapon Enhancement] Flickering. What should + equivalent be? (P.E.A.C.H.)  (Read 1218 times)

Offline Draco Dei

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Flickering
Upon command this weapon and the arm(s) that wield it split into multiple slightly translucent versions of themselves, literally existing in more than one place at a time. These versions move somewhat independently, sliding through each-other, merging, splitting, and weaving around each-other.

When this effect is activated, all attack rolls with it are replaced with Reflex saves by the target. The DC is 10 + 1/2 the attack bonus* for that particular attack (including any circumstance bonuses or penalties that may apply). On a failed save the strike deals damage normally on a successful save the attack is considered to have missed. Miss chances, damage reduction, Deflect Arrows, etc still apply if they would have against the original attack (E.G. without this enchantment), however the attack deals full damage and more against swarms, counting as an area of effect attack for that purpose. Improved Evasion is also effective against it, granting the target half damage even on a failed save. Iterative attacks may be made with the weapon at decreasing DCs as per the number of attacks that would normally be allowed. Ranged weapons with this enhancement active bestow the effect on their ammunition which splits into quasi-real copies of itself in mid-flight. Melee weapons and the arms that wield them also appear to have their existence split between multiple locations at once. The effects of this enchantment may be halted or resumed as a free action by the wielder with a word.
*No, NOT BASE attack bonus, just attack bonus, including appropriate ability score modifier etc.
May not be used in conjunction with Power Attack. Functions normally (reducing the DC in exchange for AC) with Expertise. Negates precision based damage (but NOT any to associated to-hit bonuses, such as from a ranger's favored enemy bonuses), renders Keen, Vorpal, and Improved Critical moot. Projectiles enchanted in this manner split as soon as they are fired/thrown*. Ranged weapons with this enchantment display no visual effect themselves, but bestow the enchantment on their ammunition.
*They recombine into the location of a random one of the copies a few seconds after hitting/missing, meaning that the normally rules for recovering ammunition/thrown weapons apply.
Faint Illusion (and Transmutation?); Caster level 5th; Craft Magical Weapons and Armor, Shadow Conjuration, Mirror Image; Price +1 (Should perhaps be as high as +4?) bonus.



History and Question:
I originally had this as a +3 enhancement bonus equivalent. The one bit of feedback I got on GitP (from ErrantX in case it matters), was that it was in the +3 to +4 range.
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In the campaign I am currently running, I gave some of these as loot from a enemy archer boss. When the party later fought some casters who were spamming glitterdust the archer player in the party was rather annoyed when I pointed out to him that the arrows do nothing about miss chances. Of course, he later quit in a huff because I said I was mostly going to stick to my strengths as a GM rather than pushing myself TOO hard to improve stuff I'm bad at, so he might have been a bit of a whiner. Anyway, I still decided to drop this to a +1 based on that playtest.

So, what do people think the equivalent enhancement bonus SHOULD be?
« Last Edit: May 02, 2024, 04:56:26 AM by Draco Dei »
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Offline Skyrock

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The DC is 10 + 1/2 the attack bonus for that particular attack (including any circumstance bonuses or penalties that may apply).
Without an ability score to modify and add to the DC I expect the ability to increasingly fall behind as save bonuses and ability score bonuses get assumed by the game's math.

You should probably add Strength (Dex for ranged, missiles and other applicable cases) to the formula-

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Technically that is already included. Note it doesn't say "BASE attack bonus", it just says "attack bonus". True, that means you only apply half of it (rounding up or down depending on what other bonuses you have), but you also get to add in the enhancement bonus on the weapon, charging, moral bonuses, weapon focus (if you have it for some reason, such as being a swordsage or needing it for a PrC), Point Blank Shot, and all your other to-hit bonuses before the division by 2.
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You shouldn't add the whole attack bonus; those get very big very quickly. You can and should base it off of BAB or HD or some other character attribute and add an ability score.

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You shouldn't add the whole attack bonus; those get very big very quickly. You can and should base it off of BAB or HD or some other character attribute and add an ability score.
Well, it DOES get divided by 2 (and then added to 10). Should it be 3?

Or does activating this enhancement really need to throw all those other bonuses out the window?

Seems to me that if the to-hit bonus is high enough for the save to fail on anything but a natural 20, then the attack bonus is probably high enough that the attacks would only miss on a natural 1 without this enhancement, so it doesn't actually matter. Or would it make too big of a difference as far as the iteratives (which, BTW, the save DC DOES go down for)?
« Last Edit: November 28, 2021, 06:27:30 PM by Draco Dei »
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