Extract Gift Information

[ariasderros]

I'm well aware of shenanigans to get ridiculous caster levels.  They tend to require a pool of resources all their own just to get working, though.

Which is listed there. The advantage of Extract Gift is that even if it took 2 million to boost all of your stats to that extent, it would still be cheaper and better than if you were to try to get a Belt of Magnificence +12.

Plus, most of it you would likely want anyway.

[LargePrime]

Fiendform et al allow one to become demons.
Extract gift free (a la dwomerkeeper or whatever) on morphed member of the party.  Choose options that make sense for a party member.
rinse repeat with however members of the party as many times as you like for arbitrarily large bonuses

Does this not become an asymptotic loop?

I'm well aware of shenanigans to get ridiculous caster levels.  They tend to require a pool of resources all their own just to get working, though.

Looped Consumptive field is free and arbitrarily large, yes?

[Tenebrous Apostle]

Guys I just red the spell discription and It doesn't  mention material costs for enchantments greater than +5 in abilities and +10 in skills. Maybe that's the cap used? Also the best way to use Extract gift is to apply it to someone else preferably an NPC you hate and have the demon control him all the while you control the demon (preferably by making it undead)... Which reminds me: does a demon still coun as a demon if it becomes undead?

[X-Codes]

Fiendform et al allow one to become demons.
Extract gift free (a la dwomerkeeper or whatever) on morphed member of the party.  Choose options that make sense for a party member.
rinse repeat with however members of the party as many times as you like for arbitrarily large bonuses

Does this not become an asymptotic loop?

I'm well aware of shenanigans to get ridiculous caster levels.  They tend to require a pool of resources all their own just to get working, though.

Looped Consumptive field is free and arbitrarily large, yes?

What we're working on here is a proto-handbook, not a TO exercise.  There are better ways to do all of this stuff with TO.

[ariasderros]

Guys I just red the spell discription and It doesn't  mention material costs for enchantments greater than +5 in abilities and +10 in skills. Maybe that's the cap used? Also the best way to use Extract gift is to apply it to someone else preferably an NPC you hate and have the demon control him all the while you control the demon (preferably by making it undead)... Which reminds me: does a demon still coun as a demon if it becomes undead?

It give the formula to figure out the price, then it does the pricing for you up to CL20. There is no cap for the spell itself.

As far as the undead thing, I would say no. However, it is up to the DM. Since it is up for interpretation, I do not include it for the same reason that the Aspect of Lolth is not in my chart.

Fiendform et al allow one to become demons.

But only a specific list of crappy demons. Since Polymorph changes type, Draconic Polymorph is love.

Also, I have been refining my table, making many more at each binding level, and many more things to make it a better handbook.

[Kethrian]

I'm well aware of shenanigans to get ridiculous caster levels.  They tend to require a pool of resources all their own just to get working, though.

Which is listed there. The advantage of Extract Gift is that even if it took 2 million to boost all of your stats to that extent, it would still be cheaper and better than if you were to try to get a Belt of Magnificence +12.

Plus, most of it you would likely want anyway.

Really?  From extrapolating the prices for +2/+4/+6 belts, a +12 belt should cost 1.6 million...

[LargePrime]

Fiendform et al allow one to become demons.
Extract gift free (a la dwomerkeeper or whatever) on morphed member of the party.  Choose options that make sense for a party member.
rinse repeat with however members of the party as many times as you like for arbitrarily large bonuses

Does this not become an asymptotic loop?

I'm well aware of shenanigans to get ridiculous caster levels.  They tend to require a pool of resources all their own just to get working, though.

Looped Consumptive field is free and arbitrarily large, yes?

What we're working on here is a proto-handbook, not a TO exercise.  There are better ways to do all of this stuff with TO.

I was not speaking of TO, simply pointing out that this could be very cheaply and easily done over time by a party.

[X-Codes]

"Looped Consumptive Field" is absolutely TO.

[ariasderros]

"Looped Consumptive Field" is absolutely TO.

Is absolutely TO, and somewhat rules questionable.

[LargePrime]

why is two castings of Consumptive Field TO?