Undead Batteries feat

[PlzBreakMyCampaign]

Yes its in an obscure book. Yes it probably requires creating your own undead. But mainly, its really, really powerful. Like DMM on crack.

It very clearly is supposed to do what it does. But its more powerful even than node abuse. Would you allow it? Would you change it and how?

Its one of the things I just look at and think... I don't know what to do about this as a DM.

[sirpercival]

I think, "wow, my necromancer bad guy is going to be AWESOME." 

[SorO_Lost]

I like it's concept but yes it's a little insane.

Maybe cap it to your HD per day.
Then it's only holy crap powerful by level 20 but easily ignored for the first half of the game.

[skellyhands]

Do you have a link to the feat description? This sounds very interesting.

[SorO_Lost]

idk if there is one online. It's in the 3rd party (but officially endorsed making it akin to Dragon Mag) Age of Mortals book. And it's in a side bar so it's not even listed in the table of contents.

Basically it allows you to make a touch attack to permanently remove 1 HD from an undead creature (will negs, dc 10+cl+chamod) and in return you gain one floating point that can be spent to reduce metamagic costs. And while it isn't totally limitless - you can store your level + ChaMod at a time, they degrade at the rate of one point per ten minutes and you can only spend up to your ChaMod on a single spell - it flat out states you can use this to cast higher than normal too.

Basically, Fell Animate someone for free Fell Animates the rest of the day and you'll use the extra stock piled power to Persist a dozen spells and to power an Quickened Twinned Repeated Admixtured anything, even if you're like level ten so long as you have the Charisma for it.

[betrayor]

Ah this the feat that Dalamar created and has even though he does not meet the prerequisites.....
I think this is a feat to give Dalamar(a character from the books) plot armor....
Something like the chosen template from FG but more tame.....
Also notice that you have to be either a sorcerer or a mystic to take this feat,so a cleric or a wizard could not take it.......

[X-Codes]

Ah this the feat that Dalamar created and has even though he does not meet the prerequisites.....
I think this is a feat to give Dalamar(a character from the books) plot armor....
Something like the chosen template from FG but more tame.....
Also notice that you have to be either a sorcerer or a mystic to take this feat,so a cleric or a wizard could not take it.......

Ultimate Magus.

[betrayor]

Ah this the feat that Dalamar created and has even though he does not meet the prerequisites.....
I think this is a feat to give Dalamar(a character from the books) plot armor....
Something like the chosen template from FG but more tame.....
Also notice that you have to be either a sorcerer or a mystic to take this feat,so a cleric or a wizard could not take it.......

Ultimate Magus.

Well you would be hunted by the conclave if you take levels in the sorcerer class as a renegade....
Of course if you are not in Dragonlance diseregard the above............
You could even take dwermokeeper Mystic/Wizard because Mystics choose a domain.......

[JaronK]

I don't have the book, but does it end up being available to Dread Necromancers?  Because lord knows they'd like it.

JaronK

[betrayor]

I don't have the book, but does it end up being available to Dread Necromancers?  Because lord knows they'd like it.

JaronK

Only if they have a level at either the mystic or the sorcerer class....

[PlzBreakMyCampaign]

AoM209 says 'sorcery or mysticism' so assumably anything with spontaneous casting from the sorc/wiz casting or cleric list counts.

[betrayor]

AoM209 says 'sorcery or mysticism' so assumably anything with spontaneous casting from the sorc/wiz casting or cleric list counts.

I respectfully disagree,sorcery or mysticism means in Dragonlance the Sorcerer or the Mystic class....
I don't see how you could qualify with another class except for these two.....
Of course I don't think it would be a problem to houserule it and indeed it would be a perfect fit for a dread necromancer....

[PlzBreakMyCampaign]

But seriously people if you didn't want to ban this, how would you handle it? It is meant to break caps...

sorcery or mysticism means in Dragonlance the Sorcerer or the Mystic class

Rules quote or is this your gut instinct?

[X-Codes]

I respectfully disagree,sorcery or mysticism means in Dragonlance the Sorcerer or the Mystic class....

I looked a little bit when thinking about taking the feat for a Dread Necromancer I was building a little bit ago, and found no standard definition for Sorcery or Mysticism.  It's entirely possible I was looking in the wrong place, though.

As for how to power it, I was going to use Wights.  They're relatively difficult to control, but easy to farm and have decent HD for powering this.  Keep one in an enveloping pit and throw in some commoners every one-and-a-while.

When it comes to keeping it under control, it's basically only that good in the hands of an Undead Army Necro.  If your necromancer is only planning on keeping one or two big, ugly skeletons/zombies around, and then use Undead Battery to recycle the old ones when he hits his control cap, then that's no big deal.

[betrayor]

But seriously people if you didn't want to ban this, how would you handle it? It is meant to break caps...

sorcery or mysticism means in Dragonlance the Sorcerer or the Mystic class

Rules quote or is this your gut instinct?

Don't get me wrong,if a player came to me asking to use this feat in his/her dread necromancer or another spontagneous casting class I would probably allow it.....
But I don't think it is RAW....
If it was the feat would state that the requirement is the ability to cast spontagneously,as it is nowhere in the Dragonlance books says that Sorcery means something other than the sorcerer Class,or Mysticism means something other than the Mystic class....
I think that there aren't any other classes described in the dragonlance books that cast spontagneously except for these two.......
But yeah a DM coudl interpet it to mean any spontagneous class without causing problems....
After all non-wizards and non-clerics clasess need every adnvantage to help them in comparison to the tier 1 clasess....

[PlzBreakMyCampaign]

So wait would those allowing the feat place any restrictions on it? Its DMM without being a metafeat (1 extra feat for all 9 MM instead of 9 extra feats for 9MM)

and you don't have turning use restrictions (pools/cha). It makes a sorcerer into a DMMpersist CoDzilla right off the bat!

[X-Codes]

Spontaneous casters make relatively terrible use of Persistent Spell.

[grollub]

idk if there is one online. It's in the 3rd party (but officially endorsed making it akin to Dragon Mag) Age of Mortals book. And it's in a side bar so it's not even listed in the table of contents.

Basically it allows you to make a touch attack to permanently remove 1 HD from an undead creature (will negs, dc 10+cl+chamod) and in return you gain one floating point that can be spent to reduce metamagic costs. And while it isn't totally limitless - you can store your level + ChaMod at a time, they degrade at the rate of one point per ten minutes and you can only spend up to your ChaMod on a single spell - it flat out states you can use this to cast higher than normal too.

Basically, Fell Animate someone for free Fell Animates the rest of the day and you'll use the extra stock piled power to Persist a dozen spells and to power an Quickened Twinned Repeated Admixtured anything, even if you're like level ten so long as you have the Charisma for it.

 wow

[PlzBreakMyCampaign]

I guess its not as bad as spelldancing+undead but yeah...

What are some good ways to make your undead batteries efficiency-wise?

[SorO_Lost]

Fell Animate.

Pay for undead creation costs by using undead.