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The Build WotC Nerfed: Chuck E. Cheese
« on: January 02, 2012, 05:21:06 AM »
A repost of a repost the final version of Chuck from the Wizards Boards. Saved from the old boards for the purpose of optimization history, as Complete Champion errata puts RAI (and most RAW) against the build working.

Chuck E(mbraced) Cheese

Premises
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Presenting: Chuck, the Fastest Metal Man in the Universe

Warforged Cleric 1/Crusader 1/ Swordsage 4/ Ruby Knight Vindicator 10/ Suel Arcanamach 3/ Spellcarved Soldier 1

Order of Class Levels, Abilities and Feats:

1 Cleric 1 Turn Undead, Domains(Planning, Undeath)—Extend Spell, Extra Turning, Feat—Persistent Spell
2 Crusader 1, Devoted Spirit Maneuver + Devoted Spirit Stance
3 Swordsage 1 Stance-Step of the Wind, Maneuvers: Mighty Throw, Counter Charge, (Sudden Leap, 1 desert wind + 1 other: shadow hand and stone dragon for RKV synergy) Feat—Iron Will
4 Swordsage 2—Stance: Flame’s Blessing, Maneuver: Baffling Defense
5 Swordsage 3—Maneuver: Devastating Throw
6 RKV1 Feat--Leadership
7 RKV2
8 RKV3
9 RKV4 Feat—Combat Casting
10 RKV5
11 Suel Arcanamach 1
12 Suel Arcanamach 2, Feat—Silver Tracery
13 RKV6-Stance: Aura of Chaos
14 RKV7-Divine Impetus
15 RKV8 Feat—DMM: Persistant Spell
16 RKV9
17 RKV10
18 Suel Arcanamach 3 Extended Spellstrength, Feat—Arcane Mastery
19 Spellcarved Soldier 1—Rune of Extension: Footsteps of the Divine
20 Swordsage 4—Maneuvers: Tornado Throw! Misc->Ring of Fire

On Ability Scores
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On Skill Points
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Items and Personnel:

Chuck’s Tools
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Arsenal of Legacy
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Most Awesome Cohort EVAR!
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Cheesy Tricks:

On Thought Bottling
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On Dark Chaos
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The Pre-game Show:

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Calculations:

Turn Undead
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Max Speed
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Max Trip/Thrown Distance/Single Throw Damage
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Highest Overall Damage
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Ring of Fire or There Went That Small Country
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Special Thanks:
True_Shinken. His World Record feat thread, particularly Embrace/Shun the Dark Chaos and Dweomerkeeper cohort, were a great boon to this build.
Alastar. His CO Diary inspired me to re-tool Chuck up to his full potential.
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Re: The Build WotC Nerfed: Chuck E. Cheese
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2012, 06:17:39 PM »
How many individual attacks in a round does he max out at again? Wanna know the exact number so even without errata I can maybe steal the crown.  ;)

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Re: The Build WotC Nerfed: Chuck E. Cheese
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2012, 07:17:01 PM »
Speed is 1,152,140 ft. Can move double that for 2,304,280 ft, making throws every 10 ft. So 230,428. Nothing terribly obscene without greater celerity + divine impetus abuse.
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Re: The Build WotC Nerfed: Chuck E. Cheese
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2012, 08:13:47 PM »
Speed is 1,152,140 ft. Can move double that for 2,304,280 ft, making throws every 10 ft. So 230,428. Nothing terribly obscene without greater celerity + divine impetus abuse.

And 307 rounds worth of throwing, yes?

Soo... 70,741,396 attacks in a round max with that abuse?

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Re: The Build WotC Nerfed: Chuck E. Cheese
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2012, 09:29:06 PM »
When going for damage he runs a bit first to get the bonus up, but going straight for attacks he has 1,104 Swift/Full-Round Actions available. Half of them would be used to recover the maneuver, so 552.

127,196,256 attacks in 552 actions. He'd get a little dizzy from that, but thankfully he's immune to Daze.
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Re: The Build WotC Nerfed: Chuck E. Cheese
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2012, 09:38:10 PM »
I really need to rework the build a bit and replace Suel Arcanamach with something else, preferably with something that increases spell duration and stacks with extend spell.
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Re: The Build WotC Nerfed: Chuck E. Cheese
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2012, 12:38:27 AM »
127,196,256 attacks in 552 actions.

So I can find it easier.

So that's the number to beat to set the per round record... Only 119 times what I'm currently at...  :plotting

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Re: The Build WotC Nerfed: Chuck E. Cheese
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2012, 12:59:46 PM »
Just stuff 50 million+ mouth darts in a Bloodstorm blade 4 and have ewp (melee mouth darts)
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Re: The Build WotC Nerfed: Chuck E. Cheese
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2012, 06:38:35 PM »
Just stuff 50 million+ mouth darts in a Bloodstorm blade 4 and have ewp (melee mouth darts)

Might as well just wear 200 gazillion braid blades... It's just arbitrarily high, not the set figure you need for a world record.  ;)

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Re: The Build WotC Nerfed: Chuck E. Cheese
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2012, 03:44:40 PM »
Good stuff. I wonder what levels 5, 10 and 15 look like?


Quadrillion damage is up in the Hulking Hurler territory.
I doubt anything else has gotten near this neighborhood.

psly4mne's version of Dirty Trick #4 is the damage record holder.
Knuth's uparrow notation figures into it (not that I get the whole thing).
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Re: The Build WotC Nerfed: Chuck E. Cheese
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2012, 09:22:59 PM »
It's actually a quite sloppy on some parts -Suel Arcanamarch's Extend only applies to its own spells - but other improvements could be made to cancel out that loss. Still, I've never bothered to rework it since the core mechanic got errata'd away.

Right now I'm working on something that measures its success in the number of commas in the damage total (30-40 IIRC). It's an escalation type build though, so it takes a decent amount of time to get to that point. Still, 300 Million in round 2 and it keeps getting higher...
Hmm.