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Offline JohnnyMayHymn

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Re: D&D 5e: For real this time?
« Reply #160 on: March 24, 2012, 05:12:49 AM »
Quote from: caelic on March 23, 2012, 06:18:57 PM
http://pastebin.com/zRWmNeZd

A lot of folks have probably seen this already, but...good Lord.  They truly seem to just be throwing stuff at the wall and hoping something will stick.
">You have to raise a common class character to level 10 before you can unlock the uncommon ones. Or you can unlock them right now for 400 Wizard Points.
 
>Every PHB will contain a random selection of 7 common classes, 3 uncommons, and 1 rare."

lolwut?
that wouldn't encourage piracy at all...
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Re: D&D 5e: For real this time?
« Reply #161 on: March 24, 2012, 09:42:08 AM »
Quote from: JohnnyMayHymn on March 24, 2012, 05:12:49 AM
">You have to raise a common class character to level 10 before you can unlock the uncommon ones. Or you can unlock them right now for 400 Wizard Points.
 
>Every PHB will contain a random selection of 7 common classes, 3 uncommons, and 1 rare."

lolwut?
that wouldn't encourage piracy at all...

Who cares about encouraging piracy or not, why the fuck are classes classified as "common, uncommon, or rare" at all?! That's possibly the most retarded design stance I've ever heard of. Will every iteration of D&D from this point on have like 50 classes or something? This is completely idiotic. What the fuck are Wizard points? If the uncommon classes are in the PHB, what do you mean I have to play a common class to 10th level before I'm allowed to play them?

Seriously, fuck everything about this little tidbit of information. When I read through the document before I think this stuck out as the worst failure in it. But I'm tempted to read through it again to find out for sure.
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Re: D&D 5e: For real this time?
« Reply #162 on: March 24, 2012, 09:48:55 AM »
Quote from: JohnnyMayHymn on March 24, 2012, 05:12:49 AM
Quote from: caelic on March 23, 2012, 06:18:57 PM
http://pastebin.com/zRWmNeZd

A lot of folks have probably seen this already, but...good Lord.  They truly seem to just be throwing stuff at the wall and hoping something will stick.
">You have to raise a common class character to level 10 before you can unlock the uncommon ones. Or you can unlock them right now for 400 Wizard Points.
 
>Every PHB will contain a random selection of 7 common classes, 3 uncommons, and 1 rare."

lolwut?
that wouldn't encourage piracy at all...

I'm pretty sure those were just people's joking comments.

The lines preceded with a ">" appear to be comments and questions people asked whoever was posting/transcribing the actual text. It looks a bit like a Q&A session kind of setup.
« Last Edit: March 24, 2012, 09:50:47 AM by Garryl »
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Re: D&D 5e: For real this time?
« Reply #163 on: March 24, 2012, 10:36:20 AM »
Yeah, those comments seem to be tongue-in-cheek.  I'm more concerned with the apparent "Let's cobble together bits of every system!" approach.

Say what you like about fourth edition, it was well-designed.  They started from the ground up and built a system that was coherent, cohesive, and worked as a unit.  It wasn't my personal cup of tea, but I could respect the work that went into the design.

Fifth edition looks like it has no underlying design philosophy at all.  I really hope that's not the case, because, "Let's let people vote on what they want to see included from older editions" is NOT a good way to design a game. 
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Re: D&D 5e: For real this time?
« Reply #164 on: March 24, 2012, 10:43:05 AM »
Quote from: Garryl on March 24, 2012, 09:48:55 AM
I'm pretty sure those were just people's joking comments.

Quote from: caelic on March 24, 2012, 10:36:20 AM
Yeah, those comments seem to be tongue-in-cheek.

Maybe. Let's hope so. But I seem to recall Monte Cook or someone else actually on the design/development team mentioning something about common/uncommon/rare classes. Maybe in a Q&A? It should be somewhere in all the shit over at ENWorld.

But I agree with you Caelic. As much as I didn't enjoy 4th Edition, it was still a well-crafted game, with a clear design philosophy. This shit for 5th Edition is just so much shooting in the dark. It's incoherent babble and, so far, from what we can see of it, a monumental failure in game design.
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Re: D&D 5e: For real this time?
« Reply #165 on: March 24, 2012, 12:28:42 PM »
Quote from: caelic on March 24, 2012, 10:36:20 AM
"Let's let people vote on what they want to see included from older editions" is NOT a good way to design a game.
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Re: D&D 5e: For real this time?
« Reply #166 on: April 19, 2012, 01:20:06 PM »
New Legends and Lore article

...So, monsters like chokers, lammasu and a few others are not iconic enough to get automatically in the first Monster Manual.


This makes me sad. Very sad.
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Re: D&D 5e: For real this time?
« Reply #167 on: April 19, 2012, 01:23:41 PM »
Are they kidding? Chokers are like the single most iconic CO monster ever since the Choker Handbook.
Minmaxers get no respect. Fuck WotC.

Also, Lammasu are just cool.
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Re: D&D 5e: For real this time?
« Reply #168 on: April 19, 2012, 01:26:42 PM »
Quote from: Agita on April 19, 2012, 01:23:41 PM
Are they kidding? Chokers are like the single most iconic CO monster ever since the GLORIOUS Choker Handbook.
Minmaxers get no respect. Fuck WotC.

Also, Lammasu are just cool.

Fixed  :P

Regarding the poll: as usual, WotC gives some weird options to choose from... including the number of pages per monster.
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Re: D&D 5e: For real this time?
« Reply #169 on: April 19, 2012, 01:34:03 PM »
Quote from: Agita on April 19, 2012, 01:23:41 PM
Are they kidding? Chokers are like the single most iconic CO monster ever since the Choker Handbook.
Minmaxers get no respect. Fuck WotC.

Also, Lammasu are just cool.
We should start a petition for the inclusion of wereswans.
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Re: D&D 5e: For real this time?
« Reply #170 on: April 19, 2012, 01:39:03 PM »
Quote from: Bozwevial on April 19, 2012, 01:34:03 PM
Quote from: Agita on April 19, 2012, 01:23:41 PM
Are they kidding? Chokers are like the single most iconic CO monster ever since the Choker Handbook.
Minmaxers get no respect. Fuck WotC.

Also, Lammasu are just cool.
We should start a petition for the inclusion of wereswans.
No. Hell no. I draw the line at anything with a bill. Fuck swans.

Werebadgers, on the other hand...
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Re: D&D 5e: For real this time?
« Reply #171 on: April 19, 2012, 01:40:34 PM »
Quote from: Agita on April 19, 2012, 01:39:03 PM
Quote from: Bozwevial on April 19, 2012, 01:34:03 PM
Quote from: Agita on April 19, 2012, 01:23:41 PM
Are they kidding? Chokers are like the single most iconic CO monster ever since the Choker Handbook.
Minmaxers get no respect. Fuck WotC.

Also, Lammasu are just cool.
We should start a petition for the inclusion of wereswans.
No. Hell no. I draw the line at anything with a bill. Fuck swans.

Werebadgers, on the other hand...
Interesting. Is this based on a childhood experience?
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Re: D&D 5e: For real this time?
« Reply #172 on: April 19, 2012, 02:05:52 PM »
Dork Tower web comic references 5th edition surveys

http://www.dorktower.com/2012/04/02/fifth-edition-dork-tower-02-04-12/
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Re: D&D 5e: For real this time?
« Reply #173 on: April 19, 2012, 02:12:08 PM »
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Re: D&D 5e: For real this time?
« Reply #174 on: April 19, 2012, 02:51:56 PM »
Quote from: Bozwevial on April 19, 2012, 01:40:34 PM
Quote from: Agita on April 19, 2012, 01:39:03 PM
Quote from: Bozwevial on April 19, 2012, 01:34:03 PM
Quote from: Agita on April 19, 2012, 01:23:41 PM
Are they kidding? Chokers are like the single most iconic CO monster ever since the Choker Handbook.
Minmaxers get no respect. Fuck WotC.

Also, Lammasu are just cool.
We should start a petition for the inclusion of wereswans.
No. Hell no. I draw the line at anything with a bill. Fuck swans.

Werebadgers, on the other hand...
Interesting. Is this based on a childhood experience?
I neither confirm nor deny this.
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Re: D&D 5e: For real this time?
« Reply #175 on: April 19, 2012, 07:54:40 PM »
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Re: D&D 5e: For real this time?
« Reply #176 on: April 19, 2012, 08:29:32 PM »
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Re: D&D 5e: For real this time?
« Reply #177 on: April 19, 2012, 08:41:49 PM »
Quote from: Libertad on April 19, 2012, 08:29:32 PM
Saw this on The Gaming Den:

Possible ruminations about 5th Edition... from a Paizo poster waaayyy back in 2007.

Holy crap... everything the guy said is almost the same as the current situation...  :twitch
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Re: D&D 5e: For real this time?
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Re: D&D 5e: For real this time?
« Reply #179 on: April 20, 2012, 07:54:24 AM »
Holy crap! that is amazing!

Sadly, based on everything I've read, I don't think it can work. The last I checked, they seriously want to balance horizontal power with vertical power on various types of rule sets (complex fighter vs big-numbers-only fighter). I only see this ending in RNG-fuckery and tears.
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