Civil Rights Leader, Assassin, Man of the People

[SneeR]

NiteCyper, why on earth would a Factotum take Able Learner? They have all class skills already!
Also... my elf is an elf...

Improved Intiative is something to think about, and it hadn't occurred to me to take a mindbender dip... Thinking now, I am!

[NiteCyper]

NiteCyper, why on earth would a Factotum take Able Learner? They have all class skills already!
Also... my elf is an elf...

The Able Learner feat is useless, isn't it? Or is it actually that a skill is only a class skill when you are levelling up in that class? Secondly, sorry: I forgot.

[SageBahamut]

Am I the only one who saw "sneaky charismatic assassin" and immediately thought some version of Bard? I'm seeing surprisingly a lot of INT-based builds for a CHA-based request.
Bard / Evangelist / Mindbender perhaps, verging into Sublime  Chord at high levels?
Maybe just me?

[SneeR]

NiteCyper, what do you interpret that feat to mean? Because I interpret it to mean, "You need to spend half as many skillpoints for a cross-class skill to have max ranks than normally." I've heard several people laude the feat as something special, but I see it as lackluster at best. Is there some shenanigans that the feat opens up or something?

@SageBahamut:
Bard is great at first thought, but second thought leads me to these unfortunate realizations:
-High INT means more skill points, and skill rank bonuess soon become more significant than CHA bonuses
-making sound for your class abilities is the opposite of sneaky

I will admit that Evangelist is a great PrC for what I asked: manipulating the many in public. It the sniper part that seems lacking in this build.
Thank you for the idea, though!

[NiteCyper]

NiteCyper, what do you interpret that feat to mean? Because I interpret it to mean, "You need to spend half as many skillpoints for a cross-class skill to have max ranks than normally." I've heard several people laude the feat as something special, but I see it as lackluster at best. Is there some shenanigans that the feat opens up or something?

I forgot that "regardless of whether a skill is purchased as a class skill or a cross-class skill, if it is a class skill for any of your classes, your maximum rank equals your total character level + 3". So, it means less to a Factotum; it means nothing to a pure Factotum except for the following. It also opens access to the Chameleon prestige class.

[Wiggins]

Indeed, Able Learner is of great benefit to builds like this if they stay in Factotum until say only level 3, or if there'll be breaks from Factotum for 3 or 4 levels at a time quite often and only taking 8 or 11 levels in it total.

Class skills are always class skills for maximum skill points, but if they aren't in the class which you're levelling, you pay for them as if they were cross class skills, unless you have Able Learner.

If you're only dipping Factotum, combining it with Able Learner is awesome, it effectively gives you every skill as a Class Skill for all classes, all the time.

[SneeR]

How does the feat let you keep Factotum class skills forever? Fighters don't have every skill as a class skill, so Factotum 1/ Fighter 19 does not have every skill as a class skill, even with Abel learner, unless I have seriously misread the section on cross-class skills. Each level has different class skills, so skills are only class skills for the class they are, regardless of previous levels.
Right?

[Noliar]

How does the feat let you keep Factotum class skills forever? Fighters don't have every skill as a class skill, so Factotum 1/ Fighter 19 does not have every skill as a class skill, even with Abel learner, unless I have seriously misread the section on cross-class skills. Each level has different class skills, so skills are only class skills for the class they are, regardless of previous levels.
Right?

If a skill is a class skill for any of your classes your max allowed ranks is HD+3 - PHB
A single level of factotum (which has all skills as class skills) means that all skills now cap at HD+3 but if you are buying skill ranks with levels in other classes then skills that are cross class for those classes still cost 2 points per rank.
However, able learner has the benefit of reducing the price of cross class skills to 1 point per rank. Thus with both a level of factotum and able learner cross class skills have the same cap and the same price as class skills whatever you advance in - mechanically they are identical.

[SneeR]

Oh! That is very cool. I didn't know that!

Too bad I'm an elf. That is so delicious I might be tempted to be human...

[sirpercival]

How married are you to the idea of a mundane sniper?  You could do something like a Hellfire Warlock build... charismatic, especially with Naberius & Beguiling Influence.  Ranged attacks? Check.  And the idea of someone becoming frustrated and bitter with the status quo, and turning to evil sources for more power?  Sounds rather flavorful...

[SneeR]

Well, as stated in the OP, magic is limited and illegal. Even clerics in churches are banned from healing spells, which is actually shaking the people's faith in the gods.

The musket has been declared a martial weapon! Since Factotum is proficient in martial weapons, so muskets are a viable option to start enchanting very soon! Maybe I will take quickdraw and have a multitude of the things strapped to me and make full attacks! Anyone have anything to say about that strategy?