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Offline Dr emperor

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Re: Illithid Savant for Iron Siege.
« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2012, 05:46:05 PM »
I've tried this, really I'm the guy who wanted to be a swarm, before on the old wizards boards my builds didn't come up for much but I'm trying to help instead of lurking.  I'm actually just listing cool things I've found that might help you out.  There things I would have tried if making a deity again, I wouldn't have done illithid savant, but fiendish illumian with some of these tricks, It's kinda mean but I think you are unto a similar idea to where I quit.  Also part of the problem is you'll run into so many ways to run things more efficiently that it might unmake builds, which happened to me several times.

I see a distinct lack of Palladin especially since prestige palladin was allowed, can't you use warmage/beguiler as the base for casting, you can grab battle blessing and sword of the arcane order along with rainbow savant.  This gives you three SDA's kinda + turning and divine grace.

You also don't seem to have vow of poverty.  I think you can use that and sacrament of true faith from grey guard and kinda just ignore the hole poverty part of the poverty.

Fiendish is a good template since ravages were allowed by Tshern. 
http://dicefreaks.superforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=78     
I mean they are very good, and since you probably don't want the level adjustment to get virtual class level the only other way to get them seems to be eating the brain of a Demon Lord.  They get 1d6 from the template as one ability, I think this should save you your Factotum levels, also this is better than the Monster of legend template.
http://dicefreaks.superforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=78

*disclaimer did not check this part
Also good to eat there spell like abilities because they can grab psionic spell likes to grab bend reality*

Greater arcane fusion is good at will too I think this can be done with feats, along with limited wish.

If possible I'd pump these spell like abilities with my SDA's instead of spells since they would be at will, twin and quicken.  I don't see a caster level trick in your build, I think you should add warlock invocations and master spelltheif.

Your ability scores seem low especially constitution, have you considered mind switching into a creature optimized for physical stats, like a legendary war troll wear-dire tortoise?

I'm not done offering suggestions I just got tired of typing, will add more later.

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Re: Illithid Savant for Iron Siege.
« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2012, 06:08:41 PM »
I would ask again about the ravages. Things could have changed.
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Re: Illithid Savant for Iron Siege.
« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2012, 06:29:51 PM »
Excellent point, forgot new management, I'd ask about the grey guard ignoring the poverty part too, both are things that would seem wrong to just spring on a guy, especially when they have reservations about the less powerful ability.

I forgot to type this and I think Tshern even suggested it before but before you stat your deity completely I would restat Dispater with whatever equipment and a psionic reformation as your goal post plus spells cast with 24 hour duration.  Chances are you might even be be competitive with whatever Tshern/forgot new DM's name cooked up for his equipment and spells prepared and it will give you a lot of insight into tricks and tactics.  I lost the version I prepped, new computer from then, or I'd help by posting it.  I mean you need to stay competitive in constitution to whatever spells and tricks he can use or iron curtain will negate any attack.  It's never been verified if that includes dispelling his spells or not, so you need to match or exceed what he's doing. 

Finding him is harder though.  I still haven't figured out if the one triangulation spell on the outside of the tower works or not though.




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Re: Illithid Savant for Iron Siege.
« Reply #23 on: January 16, 2012, 06:31:31 PM »
TravelLog is the new DM. Also, I still think people are overthinking this. Damn, I wish I had the motivation to build a party. Too bad I only have a rather decent idea, but no wish to apply it.
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Re: Illithid Savant for Iron Siege.
« Reply #24 on: January 17, 2012, 12:48:39 PM »
The stat would be updated with a post buff version once everything has been decided on.
If I buy use trading in 1 level of the exp for I'd get +1 feat/+1 Acquire skill, for 2 levels of trade in I'd get 1 more special, for 3 levels +2 feats/+2 acquire skills, and +1 class feature.  At the three exp levels trade in it would leave me with 141,000exp I think for epic spells and artifacts/items.
I need to update the bab,saves and skills since I calculated them base on the aberration type and not the outside type that is granted by being a deity.

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Re: Illithid Savant for Iron Siege.
« Reply #25 on: January 19, 2012, 01:25:47 AM »
Okay if I'm correct then a character with:
Feats:Shadow Weave, Insidious Magic, Darkstalker
Spells:Superior Superior Invisibility at CL=Yes, Mindblank
Abilities:Cloak of Mystery, HiPs,Blank Aura.

Is virtually immune to all forums of detection outside of touch-sight?


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Re: Illithid Savant for Iron Siege.
« Reply #26 on: January 19, 2012, 01:38:37 AM »
not familiar.  Does arcane sight work?

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Re: Illithid Savant for Iron Siege.
« Reply #27 on: January 19, 2012, 11:46:51 AM »
Blank Aura is a solid no to (Greater)Arcane sight, then also Insidious Magic makes it an opposed caster level check to see anything with the Divination school, like arcane sight or even true seeing.

The trick can't be turned around on you because the it only works for those with Shadow Weave, but it doesn't work against those with Shadow Weave.
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Okay eating an epic Red Wizard of Thay for Spell Power, progressed to +30~+40 for my caster level trick. Things are so much simplier with Illithid Savant, since I get to pick an choose abilities and not be worried about little things like prerequisites, racial restrictions, and and fitting them all in 1 build.
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Re: Illithid Savant for Iron Siege.
« Reply #28 on: February 06, 2012, 04:08:12 PM »
If you want any ideas here is my Illithid Savant that I made for the Iron Seige.
http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=8709.0

Epic Consecrated Stealth Planar Bubble is an epic spell that masks has been ok'd and spell auras on top of it's other benefits. There is also a prestige class that provides that benefit, I think it's called luckstealer.

As it is my character can bypass all obvious defenses and also has a variety of tools to deal with any situation that comes up.

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Re: Illithid Savant for Iron Siege.
« Reply #29 on: February 07, 2012, 12:34:00 AM »
If insidious magic being a shadow weave feat is a problem, you can get insidious illusion from eating a gnome with the substitution level from races of stone. That would work even against shadow weave users.