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Wikipedia's SOPA box
« on: January 18, 2012, 12:17:04 AM »
Wikipedia has blacked out for the next 23+ hours to protest SOPA. More here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOPA_initiative/Learn_more

SOPA, if passed, would be very annoying, forcing websites to police their own links for 3rd party copyrighted material, among other things.

Anyways, that's my little blurb. Feel free to discuss this or not - I have a (currently) free internet to wander.
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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2012, 12:35:12 AM »
BOO! @ SOPA! :shakefist  :shakefist

that would be the end of ... well most web sites as we know them, most companies without the resources to strictly patrol their user content would probably just shut down all of the user reviews, comments, forums, etc... we'd be back to this kind of stuff. 
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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2012, 08:08:24 AM »
Why do they want to kill mah lolcats?!
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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2012, 08:53:49 AM »
Definitely not liking SOPA and supportive of the black out. 

But damn.... most the sites I spend time on are down.

Going to make for a day of ... hell, I may actually have to work instead of surf.   DAMN YOU SOPA!!!!!

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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2012, 09:06:59 AM »
So
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I live in the United States. What's the best way for me to help?

    The most effective action you can take is to call your representatives and tell them you oppose SOPA and PIPA, and any similar legislation. Type your zipcode in the locator box to find your representatives' contact information. Text-based communication is okay, but phone calls have the most impact.

I don't live in the United States. How can I help?

    Contact your local State Department, Ministry of Foreign Affairs, or similar branch of government. Tell them you oppose SOPA and PIPA, and any similar legislation. SOPA and PIPA will affect sites outside of the United States, and actions to sites inside the United States (like Wikipedia) will also affect non-American readers -- like you. Calling your own government will also let them know you don't want them to create their own bad anti-Internet legislation.
How many people have done this? (Do it. I'm doing it.)

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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2012, 11:37:05 AM »
Don't think my stammering unintelligibly into a phone is going to be particularly helpful, but I've sent e-mails and such. Most people aren't as horribly phone-dysfunctional as me though, so get on it.

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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2012, 11:44:37 AM »
SOPA has to die. The alternative is a future internet so terrible it doesn't bear considering.

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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2012, 06:03:59 PM »
https://www.google.com/landing/takeaction/ Take action...

and now for something that came to my mind
 I don't know why this popped up but I think it fits somehow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYizXBQ5EQA&feature=related

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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2012, 08:29:23 PM »
My site's protesting.  Anyone else either blackout or tag their sites?
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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2012, 10:22:39 PM »
Most of the sites I check are. The sad part is congress might just so insulated that they might try to press on anyways.

My only hope is the large number of freshmen in the house.

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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2012, 04:03:03 PM »
Reposting: Megaupload (including Megavideo) has been shut down worldwide, on the authority of the State of Virginia.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g0HiB0PrdprLqIHlwUdYtB05l2sA?docId=c93737704b504930a11fc307d67b674d

I'm not sure how exactly a US State shuts down a Hong Kong company and arrests a Finn-German guy living in New Zealand...
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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2012, 05:12:32 PM »
[partial tangent]

I had no idea this was happening (= clueless).
I go to Google. It's got the blackout bar.
I figure somethings up. (brilliant ! gameologists that I am)
1st search comes up their mini-protest search not accomplished.
2nd search came up like normal.
I wanted to go to Wiki for some car info (complicated RL stuff).
1st search comes up their protest page.
I guess it'll be like google, and try a 2nd search but get the same page.

So I use google cache ; problem solved.

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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2012, 05:15:30 PM »
So I use google cache ; problem solved.
...the protest page explained how to turn it off.

EDIT: Might as well link the previous threads here.
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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2012, 05:51:47 PM »
None of the articles I have seen so far state anything about Megaupload appealing the decision, even though that would seem rather obvious. A good friend of mine just got fired, because the company was brought down.
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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2012, 07:00:14 PM »
I'm probably going to be in the minority here ; but here goes nothin' .....

I'm going to have to point the Finger of Shame at Wikipedia, et.al., for acting like petulant children ("I'm takin' my ball and goin' home ..... for today), and refusing to actually discuss the issue at hand.
The issue at hand is not "free speech" (and I'm happy to explain why not).  The issue at hand is protection of intellectual property -- the goal of these bills is just that (I'm in no way saying that they are perfect -- anything that originates in congress rarely is). 
Now, if good ol' Jimbo Wales and his peers want to sit down at the grown-up table and actually discuss the real issue at hand, then I'm all ears.  However, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that I suspect the they don't really have any real respect for intellectual property -- and if that's the case, then their opinion on this matter is completely meaningless to me.
(as to wikipedia's guiding mission statement -- I have always thought that it is either naively pretentious, or an abhorrent communist ideal).

Now, that being said, some of the political nuances make me want to vomit -- especially since I realized that Chris Dodd is now the CEO of the MPAA (you know, the former senator that had is hands all up in the Countrywide debacle?  the co-author of the Dodd-Frank Act?  yeah, that Chris Dodd)

Moving on now ...
The real crux of the matter is that in this modern age of technology, the whole idea of "scarcity" (you know, the fundamental core principle that has been the basis of every economic system in the history of forever), as it pertains to intellectual property, has been turned on it's head.  The only real way that has been devised, to date, to try to hold to that "scarcity model" in place is through continual development of encryption coding.  However, as soon as someone has developed new encryption software, it's only 5 minutes before somebody else has already figured out how to crack it, and immediately starts distributing that crack (often for free).

So, what's to be done?  How do you actually protect intellectual property in this modern age of technology? 
Is the answer to just throw up our hands and say "fuck it"; do we decide that intellectual property isn't?  Well, that's bullshit, on its face.  So, again, what's to be done?
If SOPA/PIPA are wrong, then be productive and propose an alternative solution.

I just wish that not everything had to be ridiculous political theater.

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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2012, 07:10:28 PM »
If the bills pass, I kind of hope that the internet giants like google and wikipedia just replace their sites with a "Fuck it, you win. You killed the internet. Congratulations."
I know it won't happen, but that would really send a message.

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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2012, 08:16:41 PM »
I am amused at the idea that Wikipedia is obligated to provide a free service at all times. It's the same sort of entitlement that underlies pirates who argue that they shouldn't have to pay for their games (at least, the vast majority of them - there are a few who take issue with the concept of money entirely and tend to have a much more developed philosophy, and I mean to say nothing insulting to these people). The major difference is that the issue here is that the useful, free service is expected to be completely reliable, rather than that the useful, reliable service is expected to be free; a difference that hardly seems relevant to me.

That said, I do appreciate an opposing viewpoint being posted, if for no other reason than that it's good to be required to think about my beliefs in order to form a coherent post out of them.

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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2012, 08:30:14 PM »
If you want to stop slow down piracy, make a coalition of law enforcement agencies across the world to deal with it. SOPA is too broad in its application, and would shut down more than just pirates. And from what I've read pirates could easily get around it anyhow just by going through a different DNS, so it's literally a futile act.
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« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2012, 09:12:12 PM »
The thing is, no one sets out to pirate. They just want a good quality product. If there's a legal option and an illegal option and they're equivalent, anyone will pick the legal one unless they're being deliberately contrary. Music piracy went way down when iTunes was created, simply because for the first time there was a legal option as convenient as the illegal one.

Most anti-piracy measures take the wrong approach, and add things to their products which make them worse (DRM which stops you from playing a game, unskippable messages at the start of a video). Piracy can never be stamped out entirely, and since pirates will obviously remove your annoying anti-piracy measures you're just making your product less attractive compared to piracy.

So, what's to be done?  How do you actually protect intellectual property in this modern age of technology? 
Is the answer to just throw up our hands and say "fuck it"; do we decide that intellectual property isn't?  Well, that's bullshit, on its face.  So, again, what's to be done?
If SOPA/PIPA are wrong, then be productive and propose an alternative solution.
Intellectual property =/= buying something in a shop. You can give something away for free and maintain your intellectual property. That's the business model of webcomics, and you can easily make a living off it. There are music artists doing this too. Heck, the OGL is a close-to-home example of this being more profitable than the traditional model.
You don't even have to go that far though - even something as simple as including a poster with your DVD makes it something which people will want to buy, even if they pirated it already. Merchandise and live appearances are the way forward.

A case example:
Most of the anime/manga fan-translation community works on an honour basis. If a work is only available in Japan that's one thing, but the second an official translation is announced then every group will stop their own translations completely and encourage everyone to buy it. And there's a huge gap here - while an official translation might take years and end up heavily censored/badly dubbed/incomplete, a fan translation can come out in hours.
An unofficial translation competing with an official one would harm sales. However, an unofficial translation which predates an official one improves sales, by increasing awareness. In fact, the companies who license properties for official translation check fan-translations to see what's popular. Haruhi Suzumiya was viewed as "too Japanese" until they realised how popular it was, and it's since made the licensers millions. Some titles really are just so niche that translating them would be unprofitable, but unofficial distributions mean free advertising and merchandise being bought by foreign fans.
J-Comi is handling this right - why try to stop the translators when you can make them work for you? Any company would kill for this - hypercompetent 100%-devoted workers who come in huge numbers and don't have to be payed.
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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2012, 11:09:14 PM »
any of you folks read Maddox's view?

http://maddox.xmission.com/