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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #220 on: April 27, 2012, 09:03:27 AM »
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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #221 on: April 27, 2012, 12:33:26 PM »
Any hope CISPA will go down in the Senate?

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« Reply #222 on: April 28, 2012, 01:43:54 AM »
Any hope CISPA will go down in the Senate?

Unlikely. There was a revision to limit the use of information to very specific things and that was enough to win House Dems (less than 10 voted against). So unless things are vastly different for Senate Dems, it should pass save for a veto.
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« Reply #223 on: April 28, 2012, 06:18:38 AM »
The "funny" thing is that those "very specific things" are so open-ended as to be completely non-restrictive.
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« Reply #224 on: April 28, 2012, 07:57:49 AM »
Found the specific items it can be used for (and some of them are quite vague):

“...the data can only be used for: 1) cybersecurity; 2) investigation and prosecution of cybersecurity crimes; 3) protection of individuals from the danger of death or physical injury; 4) protection of minors from physical or psychological* harm; and 5) protection of the national security* of the United States.”

First three are specific enough that my biggest fear is just general government incompetence, but 4 and 5 can be so broadly interpreted it's not even funny.
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« Reply #225 on: April 28, 2012, 08:02:39 AM »
The 2nd one is a big one though.  Are "cybersecurity crimes" defined?  Investigation of them seems extremely open-ended.
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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #226 on: April 28, 2012, 10:51:31 AM »
Any hope CISPA will go down in the Senate?

Unlikely. There was a revision to limit the use of information to very specific things and that was enough to win House Dems (less than 10 voted against). So unless things are vastly different for Senate Dems, it should pass save for a veto.
I seriously doubt a veto will take place, wouldn't be surprised to see threats of a veto then the signing on a holiday weekend.
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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #228 on: May 16, 2012, 10:22:54 PM »
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« Reply #230 on: May 22, 2012, 05:43:04 AM »
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« Reply #231 on: May 22, 2012, 09:02:58 AM »
The RIAA is now officially a caricature of itself.
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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #232 on: May 27, 2012, 08:21:44 AM »
Everything is edible. Just that there are things only edible once per lifetime.
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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #233 on: May 27, 2012, 10:18:32 AM »
And there goes TVTropes
Really? You see that as worth saying 'and there goes..'? This is pretty minor.
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« Reply #234 on: May 27, 2012, 10:31:46 AM »
Minor yes. But it still happens on the small scale, even if the big ones are on break.
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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #235 on: May 27, 2012, 10:32:59 AM »
Not only that, this has nothing to do with the SOPA and related instances.  I can't see anything at all wrong with what they're doing.  Just taking out the pornography and pedophilia.  They made it clear that they weren't getting rid of explicit material or NSFW material, just the porn and sexualizing of underage people.  Save the outrage until after the people in charge of the purge and stuff go overboard, purging what should actually be safe by those criteria.  I can't see anything wrong with that new policy.  The stuff about more strict banning?  Maybe, but that will die down after a bit, without getting lax on the articles.  They want to make sure people get where that site is going (which is actually back to where it began, so....)
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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #236 on: May 27, 2012, 10:58:21 AM »
Veekie's beef here is that they're already pretty much going overboard with the policy itself. Perfectly good articles on series that happen to have lots of fanservice get deleted under the banner of "no porn", nevermind whether they have a worthwhile plot or not. The frequent use of the term "paedoshit" more or less tells you how much professionalism and rationality is involved here. I can get behind cleaning the site up and keeping a leash on excessive discussion of porn in comments, examples, and the like, but in this manifesto they basically outright tell you to your face that they're forcing "sex under 18 is ebul" down everyone else's throats.
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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #237 on: May 27, 2012, 11:10:56 AM »
Veekie's beef here is that they're already pretty much going overboard with the policy itself. Perfectly good articles on series that happen to have lots of fanservice get deleted under the banner of "no porn", nevermind whether they have a worthwhile plot or not. The frequent use of the term "paedoshit" more or less tells you how much professionalism and rationality is involved here. I can get behind cleaning the site up and keeping a leash on excessive discussion of porn in comments, examples, and the like, but in this manifesto they basically outright tell you to your face that they're forcing "sex under 18 is ebul" down everyone else's throats.
No, actually, I read the full description of the new policy, and that's pretty much NOT what they're doing. They're setting up a council to evaluate maturely all the material that is flagged, allowing appeals processes, and using criteria that are VERY rational, considering how subjective the label 'porn' is. 'Paedoshit' is just as informal as they've EVER been, no change there.
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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #238 on: May 27, 2012, 02:11:34 PM »
There was a thread on this at GitP a while back.

I was upset, but most of the damage came from overzealous editors just after it was announced (eg. the page on Fate/stay night being deleted); most of that's been repaired now.

One of the examples of changes was "Tropes like Panty Shot and Fetish Fuel no longer have long lists of examples". Also you can't link to Danbooru any more, but I'm not sure if that was connected to this or not.
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Re: Wikipedia's SOPA box
« Reply #239 on: May 27, 2012, 02:25:01 PM »
Its really a tempest in a teacup, I just got annoyed because I was looking up a couple of series pages that was there before, and weren't anymore.
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