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Memory Alpha
« on: January 23, 2012, 04:07:57 PM »
A friend is a huge trek fan and decided after visiting Alpha decided to try Memory Beta, the fansite.  His computer started having issues directly after so he ran AVG and it deleted a few thousand copies of malware.  I found a bunch more running it in safe mode.  The problem is that ping.exe is now using 99% of cpu.  No matter what I do I can't seem to find whats causing the issue, and at this point I'm assuming he has a rootkit.

Is there a known issue with Memory Beta being infected? 

Any advice on tackling rootkit removal?  I've never actually tried it before.
« Last Edit: January 23, 2012, 04:47:36 PM by bhu »

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Re: Memory Alpha
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2012, 06:42:23 PM »

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Re: Memory Alpha
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2012, 10:02:32 PM »
I hope you atleast heard locutus's voice as you visited the site.

That would have made the infection much more epic

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Re: Memory Alpha
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2012, 09:07:37 PM »
If you have the OS installation disk and your friend has backups of his stuff, reformatting the hard drive and reinstalling the OS tends to be a great way of getting rid of random shit like viruses.

Try a few different anti-viruses though as well as anti-malware.  And if you haven't already, look up whether people have been complaining about Memory Beta, including reviews of the site.
« Last Edit: January 25, 2012, 09:09:49 PM by Jackinthegreen »

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Re: Memory Alpha
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2012, 09:09:38 PM »
i believe he does not.  This is what complicates things for me

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Re: Memory Alpha
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2012, 06:02:17 PM »
I have this theory, that Captain Picard was
gonna slide off into that weird future brain
disease thingie, but the leftover borg part
of him won't let that happen.
So he'll weasel onto an experimental ship
that tries to do all those: traveled half way across
the galaxy, sir! -type episodes, all in one.
Crew we have new coordinates. They go find
Voyager. Sends most everybody else back home.
Seduces Six Of Nine ...  :eh

(you can imagine why the "theory" stops right there ...)
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Re: Memory Alpha
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2012, 02:10:53 PM »
What version of windows does he have? 

-with Vista or later you can do a system restore to your last windows update.  Assuming it is turned on, and it is, by default.  It can be found in the control panel,  use System restore to the last known good time, if you can.   This will usually destroy the registry entries that are causing the rootkit to run at startup (but not the files of the rootkit themselves).   The files will be inactive, they will remain on your machine, but will not run or be of any danger to you unless you somehow activate them through executing them(usually not likely), or from possibly going to a website that has mobile code that can execute them(also not too likely). 

If your not trying to put ultra-hardcore security on your machine, Spybot S&D is the way to go. I've found that it works adequately to prevent rootkits from being installed, the most important thing to prevent.  It will ask you about registry changes before they happen, and if you just deny any new changes then you should be about 95% safe from any malware.  I say it is adequate because it doesn't stop everything,  and you must periodically reboot your system to ensure that any malware that is running in memory doesn't persist.  That is, malware can root your system, but not install to your registry, so a reboot will kill any malicious processes and they can't reinitiate because you've protected your registry. 
-I hate installing spybot protection software on general principle(because what prevents the spybot software from rooting you?).  That being said spybot s&d is a known company that is generally accepted to be safe and has been around a LONG time.  At a certain point  you can only secure a system so much without losing some of the access you may want out of it.  if You want to be generally safe when you surf the web, Spybot s&d is the way to go.

If you have an earlier version of windows (Xp or earlier), or you can't system restore, or you don't have a last known good, or you want to fully remove the rootkit files.  Then you have to wipe the system and do a fresh install.  It is the only way to be absolutely sure you have removed the rootkit without A TON of work to identify and remove files.  If you have a laptop,its generally best to use the installation disks that came with the system, and select the option to wipe the system.    You need to back up any pictures or files that you want to keep as they will be lost in the system wipe.  An external USB hard drive is usually best for this.

if you have an earlier version of windows you may consider upgrading to a new version.  Usually it comes with better support, and better options for dealing with malware.   

Another thing to think about for your surfing needs is an ipad or a mac machine(assuming you have the cash).  Macz are really good at what they do which is web surf and picture editing, and people don't write much malicious code for them because they are still a minority in the market(the ipad is becoming somewhat vulnerable, because of the prevalence of IOS in the market,  but it is easily restored through itunes).

Then use your PC for what IT is good at, which is gaming...

I work in the IT security field, so let me know if you have any questions, and sorry if this was alot more than you needed. ;-)

« Last Edit: January 31, 2012, 02:14:18 PM by darqueseid »

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Re: Memory Alpha
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2012, 03:34:08 PM »
Some day this'll all make sense to me.

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Re: Memory Alpha
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2012, 03:44:32 PM »
Let's just say its not grey and its not white...

Thats why I know the right answers.  You have to know how to break something first before you can have any idea about how to fix it ;-)

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Re: Memory Alpha
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2012, 04:18:50 PM »
He's got xp.  TDSSKiller found something after i suggested he try it, and after using it he hasn't had more problems though honestly given his track record I don't expect that to last.  He's far too inquisitive for his own good on the web, and not knowledgeable enough about how to stay out of trouble.


And it would help if he would STOP CLICKING ON PORN SITES  :shakefist  :beathorse

Thanks for the advice darqueseid!  I keep trying to get him to upgrade past xp and do a wipe but he has a bunch of programs he wants to keep he paid for, and if he does a wipe he'd have to replace them (which isn't happening with no job).  I keep telling him there's freeware versions of whatever he might need but it's like trying to explain theoretical physics to a redneck.  There's just a  blank stare...

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Re: Memory Alpha
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2012, 06:16:37 PM »
How long has he been watching the stuff?  One would hope after a few years the guy starts to realize which sites are legitimate businesses that won't screw the customer.

As far as upgrading from XP, certain computers don't have the capability of running 7, plus there are a lot of things that only run on XP.  Both of those are the reason I still have XP on this laptop.  Might as well just get a new computer if you need to upgrade the hardware and the OS.

As far as the programs paid for, if he doesn't have a CD or executable with the needed files to reinstall those, there's something fishy.  I've reinstalled my OS a dozen times and all I need to do is pop in the CD's and reactivate the software.
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Re: Memory Alpha
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2012, 08:17:40 PM »
How long has he been watching the stuff?  One would hope after a few years the guy starts to realize which sites are legitimate businesses that won't screw the customer.

He's religious so he feels guilty about it, and just types search words into google when he feels  the need.  I keep telling him i can show him sites that are safe-ish (I never refer to anything online as actually safe), or that at least won't bend over his pc but he's too embarrassed to discuss it.

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As far as the programs paid for, if he doesn't have a CD or executable with the needed files to reinstall those, there's something fishy.  I've reinstalled my OS a dozen times and all I need to do is pop in the CD's and reactivate the software.

It was shareware he bought online.  Spreadsheet program of some kind.  I think it has a registration code but he doesn't know where it is  :banghead

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Re: Memory Alpha
« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2012, 01:27:17 AM »
He's religious so he feels guilty about it, and just types search words into google when he feels  the need.  I keep telling him i can show him sites that are safe-ish (I never refer to anything online as actually safe), or that at least won't bend over his pc but he's too embarrassed to discuss it.

It was shareware he bought online.  Spreadsheet program of some kind.  I think it has a registration code but he doesn't know where it is  :banghead

Religion always tends to be a factor in this sort of thing...  Not much advice I can give if he's so embarrassed he can't be bothered to memorize certain sites much less keep his own offline stash or something.

As for the shareware, introduce him to OpenOffice.  If he still wants to hold onto his program, I'd suggest he get his ass in gear and look for the registration code.  If he's not willing to look for the code he probably shouldn't be bothering with the program anymore.

By the way, congrats on making 2000+ posts!

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Re: Memory Alpha
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2012, 01:58:56 AM »
Thanks!  I'm gonna try working on him this weekend,  I think his problem is that its so long in between sites he doesnt remember them.  Plus he has minimal security at best, not even using NoScript or AdBlock Plus.  He says I'm paranoid because no one is personally out to get him and so far ive just managed an exasperated "THATS NOT THE FUCKING POINT!"

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Re: Memory Alpha
« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2012, 02:04:49 AM »
Much like in D&D, if he's exploring unfamiliar territory he's gonna need to prepare for the worst.  A virus transmitted through a porn site is there to target people who visit that site, whoever the hell it is.

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Re: Memory Alpha
« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2012, 02:15:49 AM »
I know.  I just cant get him (or many of the local for that matter) to understand malware is more like traps for the foolish, not super secret uber hackers hellbent on destroying whoever theyre pissed at.  It's like they believe what they see in bad tv movies...

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Re: Memory Alpha
« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2012, 12:18:03 PM »
Honestly, Malware is there for the low-hanging fruit, not necessarily the foolish(though they can be one and the same).  What he should mainly be concerned about is his system being used as a jumping off point to attack others(as part of a bot-net), or the malware collecting sensitive passwords or account information and reporting it to others.   

XP, if fully patched, is relatively safe, but its not going to be supported forever its best to upgrade when you can.  If he wants to keep his programs then you can get a vista or win7 upgrade disc, and he won't have to do a full wipe.  The problem with this method is that you won't ENSURE that the malware doesn't come along for the ride(rare, but possible).  Usually, the sort of malware you wil pick up from a porn site is unsophisticated, and will not persist through an O/S upgrade.  Upgrading is probably your friends best bet in this situation though, since it is relatively easy to do(even for a redneck).   Again you cannot be 100% certain that you have cleaned the system without a total wipe, but you can be about 90%.

As far as backwards compatibility is concerned, I've never had a problem upgrading to a later version of windows, just make sure that the pc that your upgrading to meets the system requirements on the back of the win 7 box and you should be fine.  Upgrades can usually be undone, but have him save his files to a backup just in case of course. 

HOnestly, with this guy, your best bet is to switch him to a Mac, for Most users Macs are the better choice because all they do is surf the web.   The macOSx is based on the FREEBSD kernel, which is a locked down version of Unix.  FREEBSD is widely considered one of the most secure operating systems there is.  This is because its code was open to the public, and most(if not all) of the bugs were found and fixed in a collaborative way with broad international support.  Add to that the fact that script-kiddies and hackers don't usually target Macs because they are still only like 25% of the market-including ipads- more like 15% without ipads.  So why would a hacker put malicious code out there that AT BEST would only hit 15-20% of the systems that are surfing to a site?   

I'm not an apple fan-boy, Macs suck for many things, If this guy wants to do any hard core programming or any PC gaming, then a macs probably not gonna cut it, but if he's just a casual internet user that needs to word process now and then,well a Mac will fit his needs, and he'll probably never get a virus. 
 




 

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Re: Memory Alpha
« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2012, 05:34:20 PM »
I'm waiting to see what happens now that he's run TDSS.  Honestly even running the few programs he had plus a few things I brought along I pulled so much crap off his system i wouldn't be surprised if it was competing with each other for dominance.... :eh

now i just have to save up to replace my HD and all my pc problems are good.

Thanks much for the help guys.

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Re: Memory Alpha
« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2012, 06:06:22 PM »
You shouldn't have cleaned his computer!  Now we'll never reach the Singularity...
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Re: Memory Alpha
« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2012, 06:42:27 PM »
You have to know how to break something first before you can have any idea about how to fix it ;-)
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