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Offline darknighthg

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Poison DC challenge
« on: February 25, 2012, 01:04:21 PM »
Hi!
I'm gonna explain the idea briefly.
I've been learning a lot about poisons in the past weeks... and I figured that to obtain a high DC poison when polymorphing into a creature, you need a creature that have a good HD-Con Mod ratio.
This is, for example:
If i'm a level 7 wizard, if I polymorph into a Large Monstrous scorpion with 7 HD I'd have a DC 15 poison. If I polymorph into a Monstrous Large Centipede it would be DC 14. So, at level 7 the highest DC poison is the montrous scorpion's (among the considered creatures). Also I'd like to consider the type and amount of ability damage (1d4 Con and 1d4 Dex respectively) and make some sort of table based on the level. I think this would be a nice contribution to the "Arsenic & Old lace - The poison Handbook". So, any help on listing monster's DC based on it's HD&Con /lv  would be nice.

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Re: Poison DC challenge
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2012, 01:30:15 PM »
I'm not sure how feasible this is, honestly.  Long-duration immunity to poison comes online as a 3rd-level spell, and the mass version, which also immunizes against fear and lasts even longer, is a 6th-level spell.

That said, there are some methods of applying Handle Animal checks to Vermin, so with some Handle Animal optimization you can get access to these poisons at much lower levels, nevermind getting much more potent poisons from creatures such as a Huge Viper snake (6 HD, DC 14 Poison, 1d6/1d6 Con damage).
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Re: Poison DC challenge
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2012, 01:39:25 PM »
I'm not sure how feasible this is, honestly.  Long-duration immunity to poison comes online as a 3rd-level spell, and the mass version, which also immunizes against fear and lasts even longer, is a 6th-level spell.
People would still have to go through the steps of preparing properly. Mind Blank only invalidates Dominate if it has been cast beforehand. Not everyone remembers to do these things all the time.

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That said, there are some methods of applying Handle Animal checks to Vermin, so with some Handle Animal optimization you can get access to these poisons at much lower levels, nevermind getting much more potent poisons from creatures such as a Huge Viper snake (6 HD, DC 14 Poison, 1d6/1d6 Con damage).
Already in the handbook, he wants some other info to put into it.

Think of it this way X-Codes, optimizing poison isn't always a good idea, but if you are faced with someone whom is not immune, you don't want to kill, and all you have preped is blasting spells and polymorph, then you're left with the question "what form can I take that would knock this guy out?" Answer: something that deals decent Dex or Str damage.
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Re: Poison DC challenge
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2012, 06:52:24 PM »
Actually I think they are useful in lots of situations. Most of creatures you face don't have class levels, so they wouldn't have access to that spells. Even at high levels there there are still some creatures that aren't immune to them, even some chars, like aria pointed.
It's true anyway, that even with high DC poisons they're still resistable, but with max fortitude there's always 5% chance to take efect. So I've been looking for different ways to create/use poisons.
A good way to save your purchased (or hard to adquire) poisons is by using Body outside body (Wu jen, 7th). This spell makes up to 4 copies (suposing you cap your level at 20). Each copy has a copy of your mundane equipment. Poisons are way too expensive, but they are still mundane. So having a lot of poisoned daggers with... let's say... Black lotus extract... then acelerate them, and if you have the quickdraw feat (or the weapons have the aptitude), it's like 9-12 (12 if you have one level of full BAB an +1 CL instead of a Wu Jen level) attacks CD 20 for 3d6 Con damage. At level 13 (the level you can use BOB) it look pretty well. And this is kinda basic strategy.

By the way, what is the spell you mentioned? (the level 3 that makes you immune to poison with long duration). I don't know it.

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Re: Poison DC challenge
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2012, 06:56:02 PM »
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Re: Poison DC challenge
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2012, 07:21:04 PM »
I'm not sure how feasible this is, honestly.  Long-duration immunity to poison comes online as a 3rd-level spell, and the mass version, which also immunizes against fear and lasts even longer, is a 6th-level spell.
I didn't know there was a Mass version of it (given it's already 1 creature/cl), but I like the longer duration part.

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Re: Poison DC challenge
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2012, 07:30:35 PM »
Heroes' Feast is the 6th level spell that immunizes against poison for 12 hours.  It really should be a staple once you hit that level.

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Re: Poison DC challenge
« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2012, 08:31:12 PM »
Heroes' Feast is the 6th level spell that immunizes against poison for 12 hours.  It really should be a staple once you hit that level.
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Re: Poison DC challenge
« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2012, 09:01:53 PM »
Yup, that's a painful hit for the poison users =(
Let's just pray they didn't eat it. Or use dispelling weapons :P