Supress an extrordinary ability?

[Quillwraith]

Is there any way to permanently suppress an extraordinary ability(specifically a golem's magic immunity)?
The golem is willing, if that matters, and if the immunity could be turned on and off at will that would be even better.

[this is part of an idea that I might use in Nigh Omnipotent Assholes]

Edit: my idea won't work anyway, but I'm still curios about this question.

[dman11235]

The only thing I can think of is a Polymorph ability, but those are (usually) subject to Magic Immunity, so you might have to use Wish or Miracle to do this.

[sirpercival]

Animate it via the Dirgesinger ability, as per the build I just posted?  It keeps Su and Sp, but loses Ex.

[snakeman830]

I believe there is a spell/infusion in an Eberron book that does this.

[Lo77o]

Is there any way to permanently suppress an extraordinary ability(specifically a golem's magic immunity)?
The golem is willing, if that matters, and if the immunity could be turned on and off at will that would be even better.

[this is part of an idea that I might use in Nigh Omnipotent Assholes]

Edit: my idea won't work anyway, but I'm still curios about this question.

Whats stopping it from lowering the magic immunity it's self?

[Quillwraith]

Whats stopping it from lowering the magic immunity it's self?

The ability does not say it can.

[Lo77o]

Whats stopping it from lowering the magic immunity it's self?

The ability does not say it can.

Page 177 in PhB, under saving throws. "A creature can voluntarily forego a saving throw and willingly accept a spell’s result. Even a character with a special resistance to magic (for example, an elf’s resistance to sleep effects) can suppress this quality."

[widow]

Trait Removal Spell in Serpent Kingdoms has a duration of 1 hour/level and will remove one extraordinary or supernatural ability one a will target.

[Quillwraith]

"Even a character with a special resistance to magic (for example, an elf’s resistance to sleep effects) can suppress this quality."

I did not know that.
You seem to be right.

[Lo77o]

"Even a character with a special resistance to magic (for example, an elf’s resistance to sleep effects) can suppress this quality."

I did not know that.
You seem to be right.

Its an obscure rule, i just happen to know it since i just read the PhB cover to cover again 2 days ago.

[zook1shoe]

"Even a character with a special resistance to magic (for example, an elf’s resistance to sleep effects) can suppress this quality."

I did not know that.
You seem to be right.

Its an obscure rule, i just happen to know it since i just read the PhB cover to cover again 2 days ago.

The problem i see with that is... It's not SR... It's an actual immunity to the effect

Example: An undead cannot give itself a fear effect, even if it is voluntary. It is simply immune to fear. Or heal itself with a cure spell voluntarily, since it is harmed rather than healed by positive energy.

[Lo77o]

"Even a character with a special resistance to magic (for example, an elf’s resistance to sleep effects) can suppress this quality."

I did not know that.
You seem to be right.

Its an obscure rule, i just happen to know it since i just read the PhB cover to cover again 2 days ago.

The problem i see with that is... It's not SR... It's an actual immunity to the effect

Example: An undead cannot give itself a fear effect, even if it is voluntary. It is simply immune to fear. Or heal itself with a cure spell voluntarily, since it is harmed rather than healed by positive energy.

Or an elf accept a sleep spell, since he is immune... Ohh wait.. Thats the example.

How is one immunity different than another? Should they have list all immunities in the game, or should they make an example you can draw from. For me this seems rather simple and easy to understand. If you have a special resistance, such as an immunity to something, you can suppress it.

Healing an undead with positive energy is a bad example, since that is a replacement effect, not an immunity.

[awaken_D_M_golem]

Yeah, SR can be voluntarily lowered.


Widow's got the best one.
Baleful Polymorph should be fun most of the time.
" ... flying Bunnies ?!"
"That can't breath fire no more."

[zook1shoe]

"Even a character with a special resistance to magic (for example, an elf’s resistance to sleep effects) can suppress this quality."

I did not know that.
You seem to be right.

Its an obscure rule, i just happen to know it since i just read the PhB cover to cover again 2 days ago.

The problem i see with that is... It's not SR... It's an actual immunity to the effect

Example: An undead cannot give itself a fear effect, even if it is voluntary. It is simply immune to fear. Or heal itself with a cure spell voluntarily, since it is harmed rather than healed by positive energy.

Or an elf accept a sleep spell, since he is immune... Ohh wait.. Thats the example.

How is one immunity different than another? Should they have list all immunities in the game, or should they make an example you can draw from. For me this seems rather simple and easy to understand. If you have a special resistance, such as an immunity to something, you can suppress it.

Healing an undead with positive energy is a bad example, since that is a replacement effect, not an immunity.

What about a red dragon voluntarily taking fire damage?

I guess immunity is just another thing that has both a yes and no answer

[snakeman830]

A Golem's Magic Immunity, at least, is defined as similar to "unbeatable spell resistance" by the MM, so perhaps there are grounds to stand on there.

[Mooncrow]

What about a red dragon voluntarily taking fire damage?

I guess immunity is just another thing that has both a yes and no answer

How is there a yes and no answer there?  RAW, the dragon can lower his resistance if he wants to. 

[Ithamar]

I realize the validity of the FAQ isn't highly esteemed around here (or anywhere really), but it does have this to say:

Note that a golem cannot voluntarily lower its magic immunity so that it can receive a harmless spell, but a golem’s magic immunity does not extend to magic the golem uses on itself (just as spell resistance doesn’t apply to such effects). A golem can make use of any magic item that works continuously or is use activated (provided whoever commands the golem is on hand to put the item on the golem or order the golem to pick it up). Being mindless, a golem cannot use any item activated by command, spell, or spell completion.

So there you go. 

[zook1shoe]

What about a red dragon voluntarily taking fire damage?

I guess immunity is just another thing that has both a yes and no answer

How is there a yes and no answer there?  RAW, the dragon can lower his resistance if he wants to.

Red dragons have fire immunity not resistance. A red dragon jumping into a pool of lava willingly, does not die from fire. It dies from drowning

The yes/no was more for an undead creature affecting itself with a mind-affecting ability

Edit: what about a bladeling being immune to rust. Can he choose to bypass that immunity against a rust monster?

[Mooncrow]

What about a red dragon voluntarily taking fire damage?

I guess immunity is just another thing that has both a yes and no answer

How is there a yes and no answer there?  RAW, the dragon can lower his resistance if he wants to.

Red dragons have fire immunity not resistance. A red dragon jumping into a pool of lava willingly, does not die from fire. It dies from drowning

The yes/no was more for an undead creature affecting itself with a mind-affecting ability

He doesn't take damage just from jumping into the pool willingly - he also has to suppress his immunity willingly.  Is immunity different from resistance in this situation?  Let's see what the wording is for the rule's example:

Immunity to magic sleep effects,

Hmm, I guess it doesn't matter if it's an immunity or not, eh? 

And yeah, I love when the FAQ contradicts explicitly stated rules; it really builds faith in it's relevance. 

[zook1shoe]

I still haven't seen a ruling that says immunities can be lowered, except in a few specific cases that actually say so. Example golem's magic immunity.

I see that SR can be dropped, but nothing about energy resistances, which are a separate abilities.