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Re: homeschool vs private school
« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2012, 11:42:15 PM »
I'd say, check out the public schools in your area. Your taxes are already paying for them, and (as a product of a private school, grades 2-8) private school can be hell. I don't know where everyone else found wonderful experiences at private school, but at my school my parents were the wrong denomination, wrong political leaning, too poor, and *gasp* my mother worked. Together with my being rather . . . quick . . . intellectually and sensitive socially, these factors made my life at private school absolute *hell*, and it wasn't just students. It was teachers, principals, parents, supporting and adding to the student bullying/general asshattery.

The minute I entered public school, I was a different person. The classes challenged me (they put me in GT/Pre-AP/AP) there were people like me there, and those that weren't like me didn't care that much. Not enough to torture me, at least, and that made all the difference. However, we DID move from one part of town to another so I could go to a very good public school - that research took a while, but it was worth it. We did research on the private school I went too also, but there was no hint of the evilness of the place when we visited - it only emerged when the $$$ was in hand and I was in the classroom.

Another quite note about private v. public schools: in private schools, your kid's going to get a very different idea of society than in public schools. Even in the good public school my boyfriend teaches at, there are students from poor families. In private schools, your child likely won't know many non-well-to-do children at all. And, let me tell you, when your child goes into the real world, there will be people who have trouble feeding their families around (though I wish that were different). That's not when you want your child to realize that not everyone has parents with PhD's and MD's - I had a friend like that in college, and he *gasped* at hearing the amount of money my fairly well-off family "made do" with. You don't want your child socialized with just a small fragment of society, or the rest of it is going to be a real nasty surprise.

Homeschooling: It's likely, as a doctor and a grad student, you won't have the time to home-school your kid, and it's not optimal. Teachers and parents each have their roles in the development of a child, and when you combine them into one being, the kid doesn't have the option of running to teacher/parent when having problems with their counterpart.

Then there's the fact that, if you have a gifted/talented (that's what we call it in Texas) child, educating them is going to be an ordeal. GT kids are different, and way harder to teach than non-GT (or simply very smart) children. The fact is, teachers are certified for a reason, and GT certification has higher requirements for a reason: not everyone can teach, and not everyone wants to teach. When it comes to truly GT kids, the difficulty goes up quite a bit - they're fast and intuitive in some areas, maybe all areas, but when they don't want to do something, they can't be bothered by love, money, or death to do it. I should know - I was one, and I made some certified teachers want to murder me. It takes training and creativity to learn to deal with the quirks of a truly smart or GT student - so, unless you feel up to relating all your lessons to horses (I, like most GT kids, fixated on one subject to the exclusion of pretty much everything else) for 5+ years . . . homeschooling a GT kid is not for you. TBH, I still have a horse fixation, and the only reason I started D&D was because I could play someone with a pet horse. The video games I'm interested in? Most involve horses. That's *very* typical GT-ness.
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Re: homeschool vs private school
« Reply #21 on: March 19, 2012, 07:12:12 AM »
@ solara, gave kudos for that.

In my area there is such an economic gap, that in the public schools there was a class system segregation amongst the students that the teachers practically helped to enforce. The richer kids got more help at home and at school, like their time was worth more. Rich g/t kids were given the attention they needed, poor g/t kids were diagnosed as having "problems with authority" any time they stepped up, until, eventually, they developed problems with authority.

So your post, and it's exposition and reasoning were a very well thought out contribution.
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Re: homeschool vs private school
« Reply #22 on: March 19, 2012, 07:35:56 AM »
It seems the private vs public school thing is very school dependent, as is to be expected.  I went to private school for 4 years and had a relatively good experience; the "private"-ness wasn't academically focused, so I was still bored in class, but they were good about letting me do independent study type stuff, particularly in math (I was about a grade and a half ahead of the rest of the school in math).

I also went to a public high school and had a pretty good experience, but I'm not sure if that's partly because my dad was on the school board and made the guidance councilors torture the scheduling software to allow me to take 12 AP classes... and I was STILL bored, though less so.

Anyway, I have doubts homeschooling will work... but we don't have to decide right now.  It's really going to depend on the schools, so we'll look into them in depth.
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Re: homeschool vs private school
« Reply #23 on: March 19, 2012, 07:42:51 AM »
After reading all the replies here, I suddenly am very happy about how easy it was for my parents to put me to a school. I simply went to the closest one until high school and I was the one who picked the high school, because of the special programme that was not available elsewhere in the town.

In any case, good luck, I am sure you'll find the perfect option.
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Re: homeschool vs private school
« Reply #24 on: March 19, 2012, 08:19:00 AM »
Beware of schools with prestigious sports teams, or more specifically beware of elitist schools - ones with a pressure to conform. Those can be more dangerous to those different, G/T or otherwise than boredom happens to be. I don't know the extent of this danger with private schools, or if it's greater but between the two public schools I went to this distinction was rather frightening (and the reason I switched).

Probably the most important thing is to find a place that'll work with you and has a culture accepting of the unconventional. Once that malleability is there it's so much easier to make education work right, and fun.

Homeschooling is often academically a very good thing, but not always feasible, tends to get lonely, and be prepared for groups related to it to be mostly religious. I homeschooled for a couple years, learned a ton, went a little crazy, fled to a place with people. I just couldn't get into the 'socializing outside of school' scene very well.

Admittedly, in the neighborhood I was in, I felt fairly lonely and cut off before I homeschooled too.

When it comes to G/T certification, ... check if your state even has that anymore, should you need it. Ours cut all funding. There's always moving to Nevada, admittedly, but that's a kind of drastic step to take at the age of 2.

I was a late talker myself, partly I didn't feel I needed to and partly I was making sure I could do it just right before I really started.  :p

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Re: homeschool vs private school
« Reply #25 on: March 19, 2012, 11:22:19 AM »
We're debating with the private vs. public school thing ourselves right now. Our kid just turned 4, and we moved him to a Montessori, where we could technically keep him till like the 6th grade. But one of the main criteria for us in choosing a home to buy in this area was the public elementary school. So now we feel it would be kind of silly not to send him to it...

Home schooling wasn't really an option for us, as we both have demanding careers, and I don't think it is really all that good for childrens' social development (which is at least as important as academic progress, even for "gifted" people). So I don't think we would have opted for it even if it were.
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Re: homeschool vs private school
« Reply #26 on: March 19, 2012, 12:20:03 PM »
I don't think you get social skills from school.  If that was the case, I'd be a total shut-in.  You do get exposure to all kinds of different people, and an understanding that people can come from different backgrounds and experiences, but I think real social development comes from extra-cirricular activities, where your kid talks to other kids with similar interests and such (with the exception of the occasional poor kid shoehorned into a club he doesn't like because his parents think they know better).

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« Reply #27 on: March 19, 2012, 12:33:20 PM »
Right, and the easiest way to get those is....through school.

Basically, it's the whole being around people outside of your family.
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« Reply #28 on: March 19, 2012, 12:34:43 PM »
I don't think you get social skills from school.  If that was the case, I'd be a total shut-in.  You do get exposure to all kinds of different people, and an understanding that people can come from different backgrounds and experiences, but I think real social development comes from extra-cirricular activities, where your kid talks to other kids with similar interests and such (with the exception of the occasional poor kid shoehorned into a club he doesn't like because his parents think they know better).

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This is basically what I said as well. Kids don't get fully socialized as well from school as they do from activities.
Though, the more I think about it, the more I realize that it was, if fact, the mix of socialization methods that have enabled me to be as socially capable as I am.

B/c in activities, you are all grouped together due to a common interest. So you won't generally have the same range of disagreements with people. And you will try harder to resolve the disagreements you do have in order to get back to what it is you want to do.
Whereas school is a meltingpot of peoples and ideas, but people "click up" and aren't forced to inter-mingle as much.

There is quite a lot to be learned by mixing the two up. There is quite a lot that I will never be medically capable of managing to understand socially, but I'm sure a heck of a lot better off for having had the mixture of experiences. Good and bad.
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Re: homeschool vs private school
« Reply #29 on: March 19, 2012, 01:09:26 PM »
I don't think you get social skills from school.  If that was the case, I'd be a total shut-in.  You do get exposure to all kinds of different people, and an understanding that people can come from different backgrounds and experiences, but I think real social development comes from extra-cirricular activities, where your kid talks to other kids with similar interests and such (with the exception of the occasional poor kid shoehorned into a club he doesn't like because his parents think they know better).
You don't get social skills through social interaction? That seems highly unlikely. Certainly there are others ways to acquire social skills, but I find it hard to believe that extensive contact with people doesn't contribute to that.
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« Reply #30 on: March 19, 2012, 01:18:54 PM »
@ tshern: just because you walk through a hallway clogged with people, doesn't mean you've socially interacted with them.
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« Reply #31 on: March 19, 2012, 02:13:28 PM »
@ tshern: just because you walk through a hallway clogged with people, doesn't mean you've socially interacted with them.
Admittedly, I did not go to school in the US, but the image you are painting about school life seems awfully unrealistic. I guess you can go through several years of school and actively avoid social contact, but I doubt that is how it works for most people. I am just going to take a shot in the dark and say the majority of people tend to engage in social interaction in school.
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« Reply #32 on: March 19, 2012, 02:20:15 PM »
@ tshern: just because you walk through a hallway clogged with people, doesn't mean you've socially interacted with them.
Admittedly, I did not go to school in the US, but the image you are painting about school life seems awfully unrealistic. I guess you can go through several years of school and actively avoid social contact, but I doubt that is how it works for most people. I am just going to take a shot in the dark and say the majority of people tend to engage in social interaction in school.
Only with those you choose to. You ignore everyone else. In other words, there are so many people in the school, you choose what types of people you learn to scocialize with.
You don't have to be a total shut-in to only know how to interact with the people in your click, and have no clue about how to act towards others.
Extra-curriculars force you to interact with people you normally wouldn't.
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« Reply #33 on: March 19, 2012, 02:27:10 PM »
In my school experience, I was practically dragged into a click late in my second year of high school.  Before then, I only got on well at all with the people on my YMCA soccer team.

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« Reply #34 on: March 19, 2012, 02:28:43 PM »
@ tshern: just because you walk through a hallway clogged with people, doesn't mean you've socially interacted with them.
Admittedly, I did not go to school in the US, but the image you are painting about school life seems awfully unrealistic. I guess you can go through several years of school and actively avoid social contact, but I doubt that is how it works for most people. I am just going to take a shot in the dark and say the majority of people tend to engage in social interaction in school.
Only with those you choose to. You ignore everyone else. In other words, there are so many people in the school, you choose what types of people you learn to scocialize with.
You don't have to be a total shut-in to only know how to interact with the people in your click, and have no clue about how to act towards others.
Extra-curriculars force you to interact with people you normally wouldn't.
Good luck avoiding all contact with people you don't know or care for. Firstly, you somehow need to establish the group of people you want to socialise with, which isn't exactly simple to do by just watching them from a distance. Secondly, at least in Finland a week without groupwork or something equivalent (both in kindergarten and school) was exceedingly rare and quite often the kids had little say about their groups.

As for extra-curriculars, you certainly run into a variety of people during such activities, that is true. In any case, why would you get involved with an extra-curricular activity if most people engaging in it are not the kind you would associate with in general? As in, if you enter a football team that's full of players you can't stand, you probably would consider discontinuing the hobby or switching teams.
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« Reply #35 on: March 19, 2012, 02:36:27 PM »
Not to mention the fact that many extracurricular activities are, you know, school oriented.  As in, a lot you join because of school.
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« Reply #36 on: March 19, 2012, 02:41:38 PM »
Not to mention the fact that many extracurricular activities are, you know, school oriented.  As in, a lot you join because of school.
Aside from High School sports teams and bands, this really isn't necessarily true.  All I really remember is the student government, which was... pretty pathetic at the schools I attended.  I think there was also a Bible Study group, which I found to be kinda scary even as a 12-year-old.

The ones I was part of was one of those typical Boys & Girls clubs which was vaguely religious but not really and the pre-High School soccer league I was part of (which was, as I said, run by the YMCA).

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« Reply #37 on: March 19, 2012, 02:57:43 PM »
I'm going to do this in reverse of how you had it in your post.
As for extra-curriculars, you certainly run into a variety of people during such activities, that is true. In any case, why would you get involved with an extra-curricular activity if most people engaging in it are not the kind you would associate with in general? As in, if you enter a football team that's full of players you can't stand, you probably would consider discontinuing the hobby or switching teams.
A) there is a big difference between "cant stand" and "wouldn't normally go out of your way to know". You get involve because you like the activity, and if you like it enough, you might learn a little about how to get on with those who are outside your normal comfort zone. I;m not even saying far outside your norm, just a little.

Firstly, you somehow need to establish the group of people you want to socialise with, which isn't exactly simple to do by just watching them from a distance. Secondly, at least in Finland a week without groupwork or something equivalent (both in kindergarten and school) was exceedingly rare and quite often the kids had little say about their groups.
B) people DO make this judgement from afar, by colour, gender, other physical characteristics, clothing styles, et alli.
C) there was some group work in school, but as you go up in grade, it becomes less and less prevalent, and that's the time you're really starting to notice the differences in backgrounds between you and your peers. And when doing group-work with those outside your comfort zone it was done with a begrudging, uncomfortable silence. You do the work, you get it done, you don't talk beyond that, unless you would've talked to that person normally. I was in groups many times, but I was rarely in the group.
Good luck avoiding all contact with people you don't know or care for.
Actually, I was excellent at that. As was everyone else in my school. How many of the people in you school did you actually socialize with? How many of them could you actually have said you know what their goals were, how they felt about things? That is when socialization comes into play.
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« Reply #38 on: March 19, 2012, 03:06:00 PM »
@Xcodes: So you were in a school that had terrible clubs.  In my middleschool (a school with 230 kids k-8) there were't all that many options.  Fast forward to my high school: we had a club for just about anything.  I was a band guy, but there were clubs for anything from anime to science/math to debate, that's the benefit of a 1600 student high school.

And that's not the only type of extracurriculars.  What about something like recess?  Or lunch?  Those are good for socializing too.  And at the earlier levels (k-2) classes aren't so much about learning as they are about socializing with other kids.  Kindergarden is basically day care disguised as school (and that's a good thing), while 1 and 2 are basically day care with classes in between (again, good thing).  As the classes go (around grade 3 this starts) they start actually teaching things in every period, but there's still socializing hours intersperced throughout the day, until, depending on your area, middle or high school.
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« Reply #39 on: March 19, 2012, 03:07:38 PM »
We're not really talking about High School here, guys. The OP's kid is 2. I assume he's more interested in discussing the elementary/pre-K level, and for those kids, the classes are small, and their primary social interactions are with their classmates. If they're at home with Mommy all day, they likely aren't interacting with other kids extensively (barring any siblings), which will almost certainly lead to problems with their social development. And admittedly I'm somewhat pulling this out of my ass, but I'd be willing to bet that people learn most of their basic social skills during pre-K and elementary school. So that's when it is most important for them to be around other kids their age.
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