Hulking hurler

[Braininthejar]

What is so broken about this class? I have read the description and the only things I can see is the tricks (since there are no sizes over collossal, a huge hurler can be made able to throw anything he can consider a medium load, while making it an area attack gets around the crappy range increasement.

But when people here speak of hulking hurler, they usually think of something like this:


What am I missing?

[Jackinthegreen]

You're likely missing the Improvised Weapons bit in Complete Warrior, page 159.  Stuff up to 400 pounds does 5d6 damage, and for ever 200 pounds heavier than 400 it does another 1d6.  When you're hurling something that weighs hundreds of tons, it adds up.

And people keep forgetting the little text in there about sharp objects dealing damage as an object of twice its weight.

[sirpercival]

You can boost Strength incredibly high, and take the natural heavyweight feat from planar handbook to double your carrying capacity... and then use Shrink Item to multiply the final weight by 4000.

[snakeman830]

Don't forget the Belt of Wide Earth!

[Halinn]

The most ridiculous HH build I've seen

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*after a little while*

using the Symbiotic/Tauric/Lycanthropy loops....

Baby Shump
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Abilities:    Str 4501 (+2245)
Attack:    Really Throw Anything +2269 ranged (3.879e271 d6+2265)
ECL:        10
CR:        347

And a slightly less ridiculous build, using psionics:

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The template build is awesome, but there is no way in hell a DM would let a player run that (at least not in this town).

None of the Hurler builds has used Primeval yet, a class that could be of great use to this CO idea. Dire Apes, being a two-armed creature, are more than capable of throwing rocks around...

Adding to the fun, let us use Warshaper. Examples abound in D&D of creatures that get claw attacks not just for their foreclaws/forearms but for their legs as well. As such, we can use Warshaper to shape our claws as legs. Why? This makes us Quadrupedal, a fun thing for anyone trying to lift heavy objects.

Here is the build as I currently have it. Suggestions and comments (or corrections) would be welcome.

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Mighty Morphing Hulking Hurler
Half-Ogre
Psychic Warrior 4 / Fighter 2 / Barbarian 1 / Hulking Hurler 2 / Primeval 6 / Frenzied Berserker 1 / Warshaper 2
STATS: Str 24, Dex 10, Con 15, Int 9, Wis 14, Cha 11

1. Psychic Warrior 1
Power Points: 1
Power Attack (Lvl 1 feat), Weapon Focus (Thrown Weapon) (PsyWar Bonus)
2. Psychic Warrior 2
Power Points: 3
Point Blank Shot (PsyWar Bonus)
3. Psychic Warrior 2 / Fighter 1
Power Attack (Ftr Bonus), Self-Sufficiency (Lvl 3 feat)
4. Psychic Warrior 2 / Fighter 2
Cleave (Ftr Bonus), +1 Strength (25)
5. Psychic Warrior 3 / Fighter 2
Power Points 6
6. Psychic Warrior 4 / Fighter 2
Power Points 9
Endurance (Lvl 6 feat)
7. Psychic Warrior 4 / Fighter 2 / Barbarian 1 (UA Variant)
Toughness (UA Variant Feat), Rage (Str +4)
8. Psychic Warrior 4 / Fighter 2 / Barbarian 1 / Hurler 1
+1 Strength (26), Really Throw Anything
9. Psychic Warrior 4 / Fighter 2 / Barbarian 1 / Hurler 2
Intimidating Rage (Lvl 9 feat), Overburdened Heave
10. Psychic Warrior 4 / Fighter 2 / Barbarian 1 / Hurler 2 / Primeval 1
Dire Ape form (Str +12)
11. Psychic Warrior 4 / Fighter 2 / Barbarian 1 / Hurler 2 / Primeval 2
Regression 1 (Str 27) (Wis 15)
12. Psychic Warrior 4 / Fighter 2 / Barbarian 1 / Hurler 2 / Primeval 3
Destructive Rage (Lvl 12 feat), Feral Power 2 (Ape +14), +1 Strength (Str 28)
13. Psychic Warrior 4 / Fighter 2 / Barbarian 1 / Hurler 2 / Primeval 4
14. Psychic Warrior 4 / Fighter 2 / Barbarian 1 / Hurler 2 / Primeval 5
Regression 2 (Str 29) (Wis 16)
Power Points: 11
15. Psychic Warrior 4 / Fighter 2 / Barbarian 1 / Hurler 2 / Primeval 6
Brutal Throw (Lvl 15 feat), Feral Power 4 (Ape +16)
16. Psychic Warrior 4 / Fighter 2 / Barbarian 1 / Hurler 2 / Primeval 6 / Frenzy 1
+1 Strength (Str 30)
17. Psychic Warrior 4 / Fighter 2 / Barbarian 1 / Hurler 2 / Primeval 6 / Frenzy 1 / Warshaper 1
18. Psychic Warrior 4 / Fighter 2 / Barbarian 1 / Hurler 2 / Primeval 6 / Frenzy 1 / Warshaper 2
Natural Heavyweight (Lvl 18 feat), Morphic Body (Str 34)

This is not AS ridiculous as some of the ones that appear on the Hulking Hurler thread, but it is one that is actually playable without too many strange rules interpretations. If your DM doesn't think Apes can throw rocks, laugh at him, give him some Bio books and an internet connection, and wait until he admits he is wrong.

11 Power Points allows you to use the mighty Expansion to get your size to Gargantuan proportions. It also lets you use Animal Affinity to boost your Strength by an additional 4.

Strength
Lvl 18 Base: 28
Morphic Body: 32
Dire Ape Form: 44
Animal Affinity (Power): 48
Feral Power 2: 52
Regression 2: 54
Expansion (Doubled Power): 58
Rage: 62
Frenzy: 68

Let's calculate the medium load for 68 Strength
401-800 lbs (28 strength)
800 lbs x (4 x 4 x 4 x 4) (Times 4 for every 10 points Str is above 28 str)
=204,800 lbs as a Medium Load for a Medium Creature with 68 Str.

Base size: Large
Dire Ape form: Large
Expansion (Doubled): Huge --> Gargantuan
Now for the clever part: Examples abound in D&D where Claws are used as both arms and legs. As such, we will use Warshaper to shape our monster claws to act as legs. This makes him a Quadruped.

204,800 x 12 (Gargantuan Quadruped) = 2,457,000 lbs for medium load

Natural Heavyweight doubles the value
2,457,000 x 2 = 4,915,200 lbs for medium load

And using Complete Warrior, we can calculate the damage
(4,915,200 - 400)/200 = 24,574d6 + 5d6 damage
AVERAGE = 73,795 damage for one rock.

Our Hurler will get 5 Rocks to throw each round (4 for BAB, 1 for Frenzy). His attacks will be at:
BAB +18
Str +29
+47/+47/+42/+37/+32
Averaging each round for damage:
AVERAGE DAMAGE PER ROUND = 368,975

Now, to make a dense enough rock...

-ktkenshinx-

[Braininthejar]

If you are one of the guys breaking things for fun, perhaps you'd like to write up Diamond Jozu (the guy in the picture) ? The only problem I see is that he probably counts as large (the guys he is throwing it at are gargantuan... unfortunately sizes are all over the place in One Piece.)

We used to have a topic dedicated entirely to that. (writing up characters from various media) Has it been remade for the new board?

EDIT: I found some databook... Apparently Jozu is about 16 feet tall... Definitely half-something by D&D standards.

[Mooncrow]

If you are one of the guys breaking things for fun, perhaps you'd like to write up Diamond Jozu (the guy in the picture) ? The only problem I see is that he probably counts as large (the guys he is throwing it at are gargantuan... unfortunately sizes are all over the place in One Piece.)

We used to have a topic dedicated entirely to that. (writing up characters from various media) Has it been remade for the new board?

EDIT: I found some databook... Apparently Jozu is about 16 feet tall... Definitely half-something by D&D standards.

One Piece characters don't really translate well into D&D stats.  You can kludge something together, but really you're better off pulling out one of the superhero games if you want to stat them up.