Fun finds thread V3.0

[Amechra]

I've wanted to use it for a Necropolitan Warmage for a while; ability enhancer+fell energy+Fist of Stone=+10 Str and a slam attack out of a 2nd level spell.

Not as cool as the party BSF taking two levels in Paragnostic Initiate; you cast Enlarge Person on them, and they get a +4 untyped bonus to strength with no drawbacks. Add ability enhancer to taste.

Though no-one can say no to a casting of Enhanced Shifting with Ability Enhancer and Fell Energy; let's see you get that +8 to an ability score (like WISDOM. WISDOM is an ability score that you can boost)! Untyped, of course.  You also get +2+1/4 CL to damage with your claw attacks.

Analysis: Necropolitan Dreamsight Shifter Druids are scary motherfuckers.

[SorO_Lost]

My Blue Mage over in the High Arcane game uses Fell Drain & Ability Enhancer to hit like 50 Charisma by level 6 (mindful it's high op).

The Example combo takes advantage of my BM's recast mechanic to spam Eagle’s Splendor (+4->+8) and direct access to Righteous Aura. But the rest of the combo can be achieved with a little work, Fell Drain Devil's Ego (+4->+8) via Versatile Spellcaster & Runestaff, Righteous Aura (+4->+6) via Wand.

[Demelain]

The Guardian Bow [A&EG pg 109] does not provoke attacks of opportunity from most foes when fired from melee range (only the target of your attack may make an AoO). Not quite all-encompassing, but it is an ability that can be bought, if you'd like to save on some class levels. On the expensive side, though.

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+2 Mighty Composite Longbow (+3)
50700 GP
+3 Composite Longbow, Masterwork [700 GP]
50000 GP = +5 Weapon
+5 - +2 (Enhancement bonus) = +3 price modifier.

[Amechra]

Dragon #296 has the Dragonscribe PrC which, besides being a 5/5 casting class with easy prereqs (you can meet them at level 10, due to needing 13 ranks in Knowledge (Arcana))

Most of the class features kinda suck... until you hit 4th level.

What do you say to adding Celestial/Fiendish dragons to every level of the Summon Monster spell, including a Fiendish Adult Red Dragon at Summon Monster IX.

Alienists and Malconvokers are grinning so hard right now.

EDIT: Also in Dragon #296 is the Dragon Mystic, which any Dragonwrought Kobold could enter as soon as they have 3rd level spells. Make sure they grab a breath weapon from somewhere. Why?

1st class level adds class level d6 damage of the same type as your breath weapon to all damaging spells you cast.

3rd level adds +(1/2 age category) to the DCs of all Enchantment spells and spells that share a descriptor with your breath weapon's damage type.

5th level really sucks. Don't take it.

Even levels give you +1 Charisma! Wooh!

Still, it's a 5/5 caster level class.

This is why I'm going to see if I can play an old as fuck Dragonwrought Kobold Sorcerer 6/Dragon Mystic 4/Legacy Champion 10; bring on the 1d4+12d6+1 (avg 45.5) damage Magic Missiles!

[SorO_Lost]

Mentioning Dragon Mag?
MENTION THE PAGE NUMBER AS WELL
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Thanks,
~people who look up material.

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Dragon #296 has the Dragonscribe PrC which, besides being a 5/5 casting class with easy prereqs (you can meet them at level 10, due to needing 13 ranks in Knowledge (Arcana))

Most of the class features kinda suck... until you hit 4th level.

What do you say to adding Celestial/Fiendish dragons to every level of the Summon Monster spell, including a Fiendish Adult Red Dragon at Summon Monster IX.

Alienists and Malconvokers are grinning so hard right now.

EDIT: Also in Dragon #296 is the Dragon Mystic, which any Dragonwrought Kobold could enter as soon as they have 3rd level spells. Make sure they grab a breath weapon from somewhere. Why?

1st class level adds class level d6 damage of the same type as your breath weapon to all damaging spells you cast.

3rd level adds +(1/2 age category) to the DCs of all Enchantment spells and spells that share a descriptor with your breath weapon's damage type.

5th level really sucks. Don't take it.

Even levels give you +1 Charisma! Wooh!

Still, it's a 5/5 caster level class.

This is why I'm going to see if I can play an old as fuck Dragonwrought Kobold Sorcerer 6/Dragon Mystic 4/Legacy Champion 10; bring on the 1d4+12d6+1 (avg 45.5) damage Magic Missiles!

It's nice that the dragon mystic doesn't require you to be a true dragon (is there a list of playable races with the dragon type anywhere?).

[Amechra]

Sorry; I'll post page number when I can find my copy again.

[littha]

Dragon #296 has the Dragonscribe PrC which, besides being a 5/5 casting class with easy prereqs (you can meet them at level 10, due to needing 13 ranks in Knowledge (Arcana))

Most of the class features kinda suck... until you hit 4th level.

What do you say to adding Celestial/Fiendish dragons to every level of the Summon Monster spell, including a Fiendish Adult Red Dragon at Summon Monster IX.

Alienists and Malconvokers are grinning so hard right now.

EDIT: Also in Dragon #296 is the Dragon Mystic, which any Dragonwrought Kobold could enter as soon as they have 3rd level spells. Make sure they grab a breath weapon from somewhere. Why?

1st class level adds class level d6 damage of the same type as your breath weapon to all damaging spells you cast.

3rd level adds +(1/2 age category) to the DCs of all Enchantment spells and spells that share a descriptor with your breath weapon's damage type.

5th level really sucks. Don't take it.

Even levels give you +1 Charisma! Wooh!

Still, it's a 5/5 caster level class.

This is why I'm going to see if I can play an old as fuck Dragonwrought Kobold Sorcerer 6/Dragon Mystic 4/Legacy Champion 10; bring on the 1d4+12d6+1 (avg 45.5) damage Magic Missiles!

It's nice that the dragon mystic doesn't require you to be a true dragon (is there a list of playable races with the dragon type anywhere?).

Depends on your definition of playable. Dragonwrought Kobolds are the go to choice but my personal favourite is Steel Dragons.

[Amechra]

They are on page 28-29 for the first PrC, and at about page 40 for the 2nd (I'm doing this off of memory, OK?)

[sirpercival]

Dragon 304 pg 47-51 has Prestige Race alterations.  By taking a feat and then spending xp, you can make alterations to your body.  Most of them are crap.

However, there are a few of the more expensive ones that give you the ability to cast spells as a druid or sorcerer.  Not SLAs, not Sus, but the actual ability to cast the spells.

There has to be a way to use this for prereqs.

[Dkonen]

(Ember Creature-req: sculpt self+kindled creature= cast produce flame at will  )+  Versatile Spellcaster (RotD)

= infinite spells of infinite levels?

Use extra slot(CMage) and prestige bard (UA) to make a non-bard bardic spellcaster? (ugh I need to check prereqs before posting)

*tips hat* a most excellent find.

[sirpercival]

I don't think that works, though... do you actually have spell slots?

[Garryl]

Versatile Spellcaster (a) only lets you cast a spell 1 level higher, and (b) requires actual spell slots, which I don't think the PrRs give (and no, it can't chain off itself because it doesn't give spell slots either).

[sirpercival]

Versatile Spellcaster (a) only lets you cast a spell 1 level higher, and (b) requires actual spell slots, which I don't think the PrRs give (and no, it can't chain off itself because it doesn't give spell slots either).

I don't think you can burn it to power things like Arcane Strike either.

Is it useful for anything besides "ability to cast spells of X level" prereqs?

[phaedrusxy]

Versatile Spellcaster (a) only lets you cast a spell 1 level higher, and (b) requires actual spell slots, which I don't think the PrRs give (and no, it can't chain off itself because it doesn't give spell slots either).

I don't think you can burn it to power things like Arcane Strike either.

Is it useful for anything besides "ability to cast spells of X level" prereqs?

That's still pretty damned useful.  Presumably it should work for "Must cast spell X", as well (Mage Hand for Arcane Trickster, etc).

[Dkonen]

Since it's cast as a spell, don't you *have* to have a slot to cast it in ?

 (edited for obnoxious repetitiveness-too much caffeine-apologies)

If I'm mistaken and spells *don't* require slots to be cast, please, by all means do let me know.

[Garryl]

Since it's cast as a spell, don't you *have* to have a slot to cast it in ?

 (edited for obnoxious repetitiveness-too much caffeine-apologies)

If I'm mistaken and spells *don't* require slots to be cast, please, by all means do let me know.

If you're casting as a Druid or Sorcerer, then yes, you'd need your Druid or Sorcerer spell slots. So RAW, they're unusable as spells (which makes no sense whatsoever). I'm pretty sure they should be SLAs.

[nijineko]

Dragon 304 pg 47-51 has Prestige Race alterations.  By taking a feat and then spending xp, you can make alterations to your body.  Most of them are crap.

However, there are a few of the more expensive ones that give you the ability to cast spells as a druid or sorcerer.  Not SLAs, not Sus, but the actual ability to cast the spells.

There has to be a way to use this for prereqs.

um, it says right on page 47 that any spellcasting gained via this method is considered (SU).

[SorO_Lost]

They are on page 28-29 for the first PrC, and at about page 40 for the 2nd (I'm doing this off of memory, OK?)

Yeah something is better than nothing. It was late last night and I am Mr Meanpants. Dragon stuff really does need a page number if possible, it's a pain to find stuff at times

[Garryl]

Dragon 304 pg 47-51 has Prestige Race alterations.  By taking a feat and then spending xp, you can make alterations to your body.  Most of them are crap.

However, there are a few of the more expensive ones that give you the ability to cast spells as a druid or sorcerer.  Not SLAs, not Sus, but the actual ability to cast the spells.

There has to be a way to use this for prereqs.

um, it says right on page 47 that any spellcasting gained via this method is considered (SU).

Well, that's a convenient (and AoO-less and SR-less) resolution to this discussion.