Fun finds thread V3.0

[Garryl]

Wouldn't the rules about the number of hands needed to wield the weapon (and that you can't wield it once it goes above two-handed) still apply?

[sirpercival]

Depends on what it means by "wield at no penalty", I guess.

[SorO_Lost]

win. btw you have to go to warlock8 since they are both least invocations

Least>Lesser>Greater>Dark.

If you ever get confused on which one is lower, you can always look up the definition of least.

Anyway, I see what you meant. They are Lessers not Least. So how to steal these Invocations without Warlock levels... Hmm...

[ariasderros]

As mentioned in this Ask A Question thread, Enlarge Weapon can be used to remove size penalties from inappropriately sized weapons.

That's so great -- get it in a wand chamber and tote around a colossal greatsword.

.... Staff chamber?

[BearsAreBrown]

Neat to see this thread still going.

Ring of Vengence from BoED does 15d6 damage for 4.5k gold. It's only usable once and the person wearing the ring has to die.

But put it on a rabbit or something and throw it at the Orc.

Why not just use a necklace of fireballs, then? Type 3 has a total of 29d6 damage for 4350 gold.

No action, no save.

[ariasderros]

Neat to see this thread still going.

Ring of Vengence from BoED does 15d6 damage for 4.5k gold. It's only usable once and the person wearing the ring has to die.

But put it on a rabbit or something and throw it at the Orc.

Why not just use a necklace of fireballs, then? Type 3 has a total of 29d6 damage for 4350 gold.

No action, no save.

... Most importantly, above all else: No Damage Type.

No resistances, no immunities, no fuss, no muss, you are hurt because you killed my bunny.
kthxbye.

[kitcik]

Combine with the Phoenix Fire spell (BoED)?

[ariasderros]

Combine with the Phoenix Fire spell (BoED)?

It damages the creature that dealt the killing blow. Phoenix Fire has you kill yourself.

Interesting, but it doesn't work to combo.

Starmantle on the enemy, Spell Turning, or any other "stop hitting yourself" spell would get a little confusing as to which one counts as having dealt the blow, you or them. Though really, that's just more reason to put it on expendable allies.

Note: the post above is inaccurate, there is a save for half damage, DC 19 reflex. Still higher than the necklace, but it still lowers the comparative advantages.

[awaken_D_M_golem]

Neat to see this thread still going.

Ring of Vengence from BoED does 15d6 damage for 4.5k gold. It's only usable once and the person wearing the ring has to die.

But put it on a rabbit or something and throw it at the Orc.

Why not just use a necklace of fireballs, then? Type 3 has a total of 29d6 damage for 4350 gold.

No action, no save.

Gaahhh !
It's a Bears R Brown sighting ... or is that his evul twin?
 

[BearsAreBrown]

Whoopsies, was wrong about the save responded from memory. Yeah, no action and energy type is why it'd be good I guess.

And yes, it's me.

[SorO_Lost]

Gaahhh !
It's a Bears R Brown sighting ... or is that his evul twin?
 

Who, Panda Bear?

[NiteCyper]

Gaahhh !
It's a Bears R Brown sighting ... or is that his evul twin?
 

Who, Panda Bear?

BearsAren'tBrown.

[ariasderros]

I thought of an idea as to how to have fun with that Ring of Retribution.

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The Ring has its retribution effect no matter what, but it does have another ability. It glows while on the hands of someone who is good. This is interesting because that isn't a divination effect. Which means Misrepresent Alignment, Nondetection,Mask of Gentility et alli, don't work to stop or cause this glowing.
So say you are an evil bard, and some of your schemes are being investigated by a pesky paladin. You put Misrepresent Alignment on yourself to fool him, and keep up Prestidigitation to make the ring glow on your hand. You, while "trying to help" him, explain about the rings ability to reveal alignment in ways that can't be tricked. Don't mention the rings real power, obviously. Whether you tell him that it only reveals Good, or whether you pass it off as just not glowing for Evil, is up to you.
You offer to follow around the Pally to "help him". But say you will refuse to help in a fight. You're a pacifist, you claim.
He puts the ring on someone he suspects (if it is an ally of yours, just Prestidigitation a glow for them too). Paladin goes all kinds of "oh, you're evil, KA-SMITE". Guess what? Annoying Paladin is wounded during the fight, and because his victim was wearing that ring, he's wounded, or even killed, at the end of the fight.
You finish him off on your own, if the ring doesn't.

[SorO_Lost]

Umm....

Paladin: Thanks for the ring that I can only put on helpless opponents as a DM set action (move to draw, standard to apply?).
You: You're welcome.
Paladin: It's a shame I can Detect Evil as a Standard Action all day, 24/7, on any sort of target, without them knowing.
You: Yeah well, my Bluff check says this is lagit.
Paladin: Not the point...
You: Fine I'll murder you while you sleep!

[McPoyo]

You missed the point where it works on all the things that block Detect Evil.

[Kethrian]

And you missed the point that if the pally wants to put it on someone, that person will likely already have to be in a position where he won't need to smite after, because the person is already helpless...

[ariasderros]

And you missed the point that if the pally wants to put it on someone, that person will likely already have to be in a position where he won't need to smite after, because the person is already helpless...

Depends on the campaign, actually. If the paladin is investigating things, as I said, then he would ask the person to put it on. You know, so he could figure out if combat was necessary.

And yes, I listed off a very small portion of things that Detect Evil doesn't work against.

By default, if the combat has already started, or if Detect Evil already "pops" against the person, the pally couldn't care less about the ring. But if he is investigating things that you've done, but you're there maintaining a deception of helping him, while you actually steer him toward your rivals, then it does help. Because your evil rivals won't know what you're up to. So pally puts ring on them, it reveals that they're not good, pally fights other evils, you mop up.

[SorO_Lost]

Depends on the campaign, actually. If the paladin is investigating things he would use Zone of Truth and this little thing called evidence.

fify.

[Halinn]

Too complicated, let's have the paladin's investigation scenario be about the bard using diplomacy to convince people to put on this ring.

[SorO_Lost]

Which works a hundred times better. You're just a merchant selling 'cursed' goods, and you retrieve them afterwards...