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Re: Fun finds thread V3.0
« Reply #660 on: March 17, 2013, 12:04:17 PM »
That's hilarious, they stole at least one feat, and you caught em
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Re: Fun finds thread V3.0
« Reply #661 on: March 17, 2013, 12:09:45 PM »
Regarding White Dragon Lineage, I'm gonna have to side with SorO. "Similar to" doesn't mean "as if using" or any other language that sets up a rules dependency. Since its actual mechanics are actually not very similar at all, what it tells me is that the authors had this fluff idea in mind and had to insert that text to ensure the readers understood what they were trying to do. That they pointed out ways in which it is different from rage is reminder text, essentially. "Remember, this isn't an actual rage, so this particular thing we remember about rage isn't applicable", rather than a complete list of all things that differ from rage.

Best case scenario for the trick, it's similar to that Mind Blast feat that tells you you can channel power points into it and then gives you no rules for doing anything of the sort. They tell you it's similar, and then completely fail to tell you how. Then "it acts like rage" becomes a plausible interpretation of RAI. On the other hand, I can't in good conscience insist that rules that make a Rage Mage better are entirely unbalanced, although this interpretation still seems like it heavily favors full casters who dip a level of barbarian. Rage Mage is still terrible due to lost CLs.

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Re: Fun finds thread V3.0
« Reply #662 on: March 17, 2013, 12:48:01 PM »
What's your thoughts on the badger and wolverine rage abilities, counting for rage feats, etc?
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Re: Fun finds thread V3.0
« Reply #663 on: March 17, 2013, 06:13:16 PM »
I've always sorta counted it as the same thing.

And that is based off the idea that a Wolverine has an Extraordinary Ability called "Rage" (opposed to left fielding for the spell), and most Rage Feats don't specify the Barbarian's Rage but merely a Rage Ability. Of course, if they wanted the Barbarian's version...

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Re: Fun finds thread V3.0
« Reply #664 on: March 18, 2013, 03:31:58 PM »
Really quick, could I get a book title and page number for the Deadly Feint / its Rokugan original?

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Re: Fun finds thread V3.0
« Reply #665 on: March 18, 2013, 10:27:54 PM »
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20070314a

Notice one of the ACFs for Psion (Eogist):
Change Shape

You gain the minor change shape ability, like that of a changeling.
Level: 1st.
Replaces: The bonus feat at 1st level.
Benefit: You gain the minor change shape ability that is possessed by changelings.

Makes an awesome dip for a Warshaper build.  Or most anyone who likes their Disguise checks.

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Re: Fun finds thread V3.0
« Reply #666 on: March 19, 2013, 12:03:45 AM »
Now, the real question is whether that would let you qualify for Racial Emulation...

I just checked, and it doesn't. Damn it.

I'm pretty sure all of the nice Changeling feats require you to be a Changeling.

EDIT: Warforged, for Robots in Disguise?
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Re: Fun finds thread V3.0
« Reply #667 on: March 19, 2013, 01:22:02 AM »
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20070314a

Notice one of the ACFs for Psion (Eogist):
Change Shape

You gain the minor change shape ability, like that of a changeling.
Level: 1st.
Replaces: The bonus feat at 1st level.
Benefit: You gain the minor change shape ability that is possessed by changelings.

Makes an awesome dip for a Warshaper build.  Or most anyone who likes their Disguise checks.

Well, the thing is...  Does the "Minor" portion of Minor Change Shape disqualify it from Warshaper?  YMMV.
Regardless, Minor change shape is a cool ability especially for a one level dip.

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Re: Fun finds thread V3.0
« Reply #668 on: March 19, 2013, 01:27:46 AM »
The Acheron Flurry feat from the Planar Handbook is not something I see discussed much.
Unless I'm missing something, the ability to limit an enemy to a Standard or Move action seems quite powerful.
Standard action to use, plus it requires you have damaged your target (with your Unarmed Strike) at some point in the encounter and be adjacent to the foe.
However, it does not require a hit or allow a save!
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Re: Fun finds thread V3.0
« Reply #669 on: March 19, 2013, 01:40:21 AM »
Well, the thing is...  Does the "Minor" portion of Minor Change Shape disqualify it from Warshaper?  YMMV.
Regardless, Minor change shape is a cool ability especially for a one level dip.

If you're referring to the Egoist version, then I agree it's a bit iffy.  It doesn't give the character the shapechanger subtype, so it's all on a change shape supernatural ability.  Bit of a shame they didn't add the shapechanger potential, but of course it's likely thought of as too much for a single level dip.  Perhaps 5 levels into Egoist would have worked.

As for Acheron Flurry, it is fairly nice.  Bit more reliable than Slow since it doesn't have a save, but it's also less effective since it's trading multiple uses of a standard action to constantly negate a standard or move versus Slow's single standard to affect the enemy for several rounds.
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Re: Fun finds thread V3.0
« Reply #670 on: March 19, 2013, 02:39:54 AM »
It's what you use your Monk for. I mean, what were they going to use their Standard for, anyway?
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Re: Fun finds thread V3.0
« Reply #671 on: March 19, 2013, 03:27:57 AM »
It stops free and swift actions though
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Re: Fun finds thread V3.0
« Reply #672 on: March 19, 2013, 03:30:10 AM »
It's what you use your Monk for. I mean, what were they going to use their Standard for, anyway?

But monks still have to hit and damage them first before they can use the feat!
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Re: Fun finds thread V3.0
« Reply #673 on: March 19, 2013, 04:08:34 AM »
True 'nuff; still, you can probably optimize for a single really accurate attack that could even be at a range (thank you Ring the Golden Bell), and then just come up to people and practice punches near them.

They are so embarassed and ashamed to be near you that they either will try to kill you or will try to run away.

And the Monk can catch up... unless they full-up teleport away, in which case the Monk won! BWAHAHA!
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Re: Fun finds thread V3.0
« Reply #674 on: March 19, 2013, 04:32:46 AM »
Really quick, could I get a book title and page number for the Deadly Feint / its Rokugan original?

The Pincers Hold, the Tail Strikes: Rokugan, page 53
Deadly Feint: Ultimate Feats, page 37

Edit: Oh, and congratulations to Amechra for snagging reply #666. 
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Re: Fun finds thread V3.0
« Reply #675 on: March 19, 2013, 11:25:06 AM »
Be a monk/knight, with a whip. Then they can't move very far at all. Then just move up and whack em again.
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Re: Fun finds thread V3.0
« Reply #676 on: March 19, 2013, 12:37:09 PM »
Whips don't threaten areas within their reach.

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Re: Fun finds thread V3.0
« Reply #677 on: March 19, 2013, 01:40:58 PM »
i guess thats true... what about a plain old spiked chain?
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Re: Fun finds thread V3.0
« Reply #678 on: March 19, 2013, 05:42:20 PM »
Archeron Flurry ... feels like an Ardent + Monk w/ Tash gets
to early stages of action abuse, and uses it as a Lock-lite.
Maybe Psion or Erudite are better because of feat support.

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Re: Fun finds thread V3.0
« Reply #679 on: March 19, 2013, 11:32:48 PM »
It's what you use your Monk for. I mean, what were they going to use their Standard for, anyway?

dealing 40+ dice of damage in a single strike?