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Offline JohnnyMayHymn

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The Emperor Redux
« on: April 01, 2012, 01:55:17 AM »
                      (Takes Item Familiar, to get enough xp for 3 more class levels)

                (xp == 9th level Character, ecl 1)
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Binder1, (All 36 Major Bloodline Levels),   Ardent1, Wizard 4, Changeling Wizard 5th substitution level, Ghost 2, Master of the Unseen Hand 4, Thrallherd1, (Arcane)Swordsage1
                                                 

Fragile at low levels, but at the end;

[If Bloodlines stack with each other, b/c they are "Bloodline Class Levels" that specifically stack with other "Classes"]
EBL = 1 + 36 + (33 * 12 [BL's adding to each other]) = 433
ML = (1Ardent + 36 + (33 * 12 [BL's adding to each other])) = 433

IL = 1 + 18 + (33 * 6 [BL's adding half to each other])) + 7[Half of remaining class levels]= 224
                                    (198)                                     
Telekinesis CL = 12(Ghost) + 4(MotUH) + 36 + (33 * 12 [BL's adding to each other]) = 448
Telekinesis BaB = CL(448) + CHA mod
Telekinesis Full attack = +448/+443/+438/+433

The Emperor chooses Telekinesis from Ghost
Shards of Leadership (except uses Thrallherd to kick it off) for every Power and (Arcane(which includes Arcane versions of Divine spells))Spell as a Power
Is Shapechanged all the time as a Maneuver

Alternating Thralls with levels in Planar Shepherd and Hierophant or Cleric and Hierophant provide tons of wildshape and Turn/Rebuke uses

A Thrall with 36 Bloodline Levels and 6 levels of Fiend of Possession could bestow powers on an item with a value as an enhancement bonus equal to its class level, so a
6 + 36 + (33*12) = a +438 weapon for you to use with your insane Telekinesis CL!

This doesn't even account for the extra xp from having a lower ecl (2 at party level 10 for example) after taking all of the Bloodline levels, so there are really more free levels to play with
« Last Edit: April 02, 2012, 01:25:49 AM by JohnnyMayHymn »
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Re: The Emperor Redux
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2012, 01:55:39 AM »
Part of the Bloodline entry quoted from the SRD, important parts that support my build bolded/italicized

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Cliff Notes:
"Class levels of 'Bloodline'"     

"Class levels of 'bloodline' do not increase a character's character level"

"Include the character's bloodline level when calculating any character ability based on his class levels"

"If a character has levels in two or more classes in addition to his bloodline levels, each class gains the benefit of adding the bloodline levels when calculating abilities."
« Last Edit: April 01, 2012, 03:53:13 AM by JohnnyMayHymn »
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Re: The Emperor Redux
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2012, 01:56:00 AM »
reserved for other stuff maybe


go ahead and post :)
« Last Edit: April 01, 2012, 02:14:31 AM by JohnnyMayHymn »
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Re: The Emperor Redux
« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2012, 06:39:18 AM »
A couple nitpicks.  First, TK uses BAB=CL only for disarm and grapple, and uses your normal BAB for the Violent Thrust usage.

Second, iterative attacks by RAW don't have a formula for progression, you just gain an additional attack explicitly at BAB +6, BAB +11, and BAB +16.  So someone with a BAB of +448 would still only have 4 iterative attacks by RAW.
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Re: The Emperor Redux
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2012, 12:10:42 PM »
Master of the Unseen Hand gives TK more options/changes things.

With the high bab, I was going off of the MotUH text as well.  I'll review and edit that, thank you.
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Re: The Emperor Redux
« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2012, 12:15:13 PM »
Master of the Unseen Hand gives TK more options/changes things.

With the high bab, I was going off of the MotUH text as well.  I'll review and edit that, thank you.

Actually, reading the MotUH ability, you may be right about the iterative attacks.  I'm not sure how those two interact.
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Re: The Emperor Redux
« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2012, 04:15:00 PM »
Master of the Unseen Hand gives TK more options/changes things.

With the high bab, I was going off of the MotUH text as well.  I'll review and edit that, thank you.

Actually, reading the MotUH ability, you may be right about the iterative attacks.  I'm not sure how those two interact.
after reading "just as with non-telekinetic attacks" and the epic level handbook's 4 attack cap, I went ahead and reduced it
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