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Optimizing a 3.5 Level 13 Sorcerer
« on: April 03, 2012, 05:26:02 AM »
http://www.thetangledweb.net/forums/profiler/view_char.php?cid=58499
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Thats all the stats, I am not a very experienced with making but I do my best. I usually just stick core and use the srd etc but I am looking to expand and with the help of you guys :)
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Books Allowed: I assume all, we do have a guy using Book of Vile Darkness
What I am looking for: Doing some damage!
What others roles are filled:
1. Tank - Dragon Shamon/Something from BOVD
2. Bruiser - Pirate combo? (Not exactly sure)
3. DPS/Bruiser - Physic Warrior
4. Blaster - Psion

I am looking to increase my damage, usefulness, and also utility.
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Enemies to come.
- Psionics
- Elementals
- Necromancers/Undead
- Dragons
- Mindflayers
Something well rounded to deal with them as well as some tactics to use as well would be greatly appreciated :)
If I forgot anything please tell me!

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Re: Optimizing a 3.5 Level 13 Sorcerer
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2012, 09:09:26 AM »
Wouldn't it be redundant for your party to have another blaster?  The damage seems to be pretty well covered, however, your party is lacking utility.

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Re: Optimizing a 3.5 Level 13 Sorcerer
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2012, 10:33:17 AM »
Advice for a sorcerer....

1) Spell Selection. Spell Selection. Spell Selection!

The only "direct" damage spells my Sorcerers ever have anymore are Wings of Flurry, Scorching Ray, and in games I don't expect to go past level 5-6 Power Word: Pain/Magic Missile.

I realize that playing a sorcerer for damage is fun and all, but you're better off with utility spells.

2) Always prestige....

Sorcerers get no Class abilities, Prestige out into a full casting PrC after level 6 at the latest.

If you insist on being a damage dealer: The Mailman

If you're interested in being "Lesser-God" as opposed to Wizards being God. Being able to do less, but do it more often... Then the place to start is spell selection, and finding a PrC that synergizes its class abilities well with what you want.

Have you read the handbooks forum, Checking the index there Solo's handbook is helpful. If you've got an idea of what you want to do besides "be a sorcerer blaster" I might have some PrC flavor ideas. If you just want "power" good spell selection and most any full casting PrC-Goodness-Cheese will do the trick (Incantrix comes to mind quickly even if not for blasting persist spell is nummy.)
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Re: Optimizing a 3.5 Level 13 Sorcerer
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2012, 10:55:47 AM »
I am corrently playing a Sorcerer(5)/MotAO(1) and from my experience with this build I can tell you damage is not the way to go. I have spells like glitterdust grease slow stincking cloud and I really enjoy crippling the enemies and let the big stupid fighters deal with the shattered remains of what once used to be potent opponents:P If it's damage you want, I hear wings of flurry is good, it's actually a spell that I would get if races of dragon was allowed in the campaign. You also can't  miss with an empowered maximized twined invulnerabled:p magic missile!
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Re: Optimizing a 3.5 Level 13 Sorcerer
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2012, 10:58:56 AM »
Magic Missile can be protected against.

Hail of Stone, however, does a little less damage to a single target, but has no attack roll, save, or spell resistance, and can hit multiple creatures (especially if Widened).
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Re: Optimizing a 3.5 Level 13 Sorcerer
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2012, 02:44:16 PM »
I'd drop the Eschew Materials feat,as a spell component pouch is just 5gp, and it doesn't help with >1gp materials anyway; you are better with almost any other feat...

I'd drop the weapon focus ray too, pick a couple metamagic feats, and see if I could get the +2 to touch attack rod from Complete Arcane without the charges to make up for it (a bit cheaper I mean) I think it was Rod of the Warlock or something like that (scepter, maybe, my CArc is in Spanish, sorry)

You could get Rapid Metamagic from CMage and Empower Spell. Also, PrC from Sorc as soon as possible

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Re: Optimizing a 3.5 Level 13 Sorcerer
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2012, 10:59:04 PM »
I should have mentioned that I have already started this game, so I might be able to talk to him about letting me take levels off and PrCing into something but its spotty at best. I am looking for a hybrid blaster utility. That way I have good damage and can hurt pretty bad but also am able to cast spells we need or enhance everyone.
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If I can take levels off to PrC (Apparently lvl 6 is good level to do it) what should I go into?
If I can NOT take levels off, which PrC should I go into now? or is it to late to be able to do anything?
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A list of spells that are good for either a blaster or a utility would be appreciated greatly as well. (Or a link :) )


Just wanna say thanks to everyone helping me out here :)
PS. Which books should I pick up and start reading for future character creation?

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Re: Optimizing a 3.5 Level 13 Sorcerer
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2012, 11:30:11 PM »
Magic Missile can be protected against.

Hail of Stone, however, does a little less damage to a single target, but has no attack roll, save, or spell resistance, and can hit multiple creatures (especially if Widened).

Sculpt first, then Widen.  4x the radius, which is a LOT more area covered, for all of one additional level.

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Re: Optimizing a 3.5 Level 13 Sorcerer
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2012, 12:04:29 AM »
PS. Which books should I pick up and start reading for future character creation?

Spell Compendium always has gems for casters.  Look through the Complete series.  The "Races of" books likewise have nice things here and there, as do the environmental books. (Dungeonscape, Frostburn, Sandstorm, and Stormwrack are the books I lump into the environmental series.)

If you want a massive list of spells though, http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19538942/Ultimate_Spell_List has the majority of them listed.

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Re: Optimizing a 3.5 Level 13 Sorcerer
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2012, 12:30:06 AM »
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Re: Optimizing a 3.5 Level 13 Sorcerer
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2012, 12:53:27 AM »
*Drools* Wow thanks a lot :) I will work on this, the main thing being if I am allowed to roll myself back those levels and pick up that PrC.
I dont think he will mind too much though so. Also which book is that class in so I can read up on it?

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Re: Optimizing a 3.5 Level 13 Sorcerer
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2012, 01:32:20 AM »
Wikipedia has a list of prestige classes.  Mage of the Arcane Order is found in Complete Arcane.

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Re: Optimizing a 3.5 Level 13 Sorcerer
« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2012, 05:20:04 AM »
If you don't like playing your character, or feel useless, no sane DM would force you to stick to him, and if they do... well, noob it away (stay close to the dragon's mouth or something)
If you have played only 1-2 sessions, I wouldn't mind about letting you rebuild your character, and just assume he has always been that way. Talk to your DM about it anyway, if he doesn't agree, well... you have nothing to lose trying.

Asking to be useful in a party shouldn't be a problem to any DM...

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Re: Optimizing a 3.5 Level 13 Sorcerer
« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2012, 05:06:55 PM »
Its not that I feel useless I just want to make sure that I am useful. Our Psionic can pretty much out do me with anything because I am not as experienced, thats why I asked for some help optimizing :)

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Re: Optimizing a 3.5 Level 13 Sorcerer
« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2012, 06:47:02 PM »
If he's the Blaster-as you stated on the first post-, you could try to play a bit differently, support spells, battleground control, enchantments, there are 7 whole worlds apart from blasting  :D

By the way, as the Mage of the Arcane Order is on topic, how do you get around the requirements for the PrC? As I read it -Spanish translation of the book, might be different in English- it requires to be capable of preparing and casting 2nd level spells, and the preparing thing sounds hard to get with a sorcerer. How do you work that one out?

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Re: Optimizing a 3.5 Level 13 Sorcerer
« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2012, 07:50:57 PM »
If he's the Blaster-as you stated on the first post-, you could try to play a bit differently, support spells, battleground control, enchantments, there are 7 whole worlds apart from blasting  :D

By the way, as the Mage of the Arcane Order is on topic, how do you get around the requirements for the PrC? As I read it -Spanish translation of the book, might be different in English- it requires to be capable of preparing and casting 2nd level spells, and the preparing thing sounds hard to get with a sorcerer. How do you work that one out?

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Re: Optimizing a 3.5 Level 13 Sorcerer
« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2012, 09:28:36 PM »
Snuggle up with Treantmonk.

Most his advice also applies to Sorcerers.