Need sauce on a feat...

[Talore]

http://www.angelfire.com/wy/eventry/DD/Fighter.html

This is a wondrous text document someone posted in the handbook discussion a little while ago. In said document, there is a tactical/psuedo-tactical feat called Longfang. Ctrl+S will bring you to it. I cannot find this feat anywhere, I even searched the DragonDex. Does anyone know where it is from?

[sirpercival]

Why do you need that?  What about Short Haft?

[TC X0 Lt 0X]

Why do you need that?  What about Short Haft?

What about a Spiked Gauntlet/Hidden Blade/Unarmed Attack/Natural Weapon?
You don't even need feats for those.

[Kethrian]

I'm guessing it's either a home-brew feat or one from an obscure 3rd party source.  It, and several others on that list, do not look at all familiar.  Plus, Longfang has a ridiculous number of prerequisites for such a minor payoff.  I agree that Short Haft should work just as well for you if you don't want to take proficiency in spiked chain or kusari-gama, or even just use armour spikes to always have a non-reach weapon available.

[Talore]

Well I had a character idea that would basically fill all the prerequisites anyways, and Longfang also allows you to avoid AoO's in an ambush-charge in addition to Short Haft, which I thought was cool. It isn't necessary by all means, but I'd like to know where it is incase that is an option I'd like to take.

[Kethrian]

From what read of Power Lunge, that feat provokes AoOs if you use it, which is the only type of AoO Longfang prevents, and only on the first round of combat.  If you want to deal more damage on a charge, Shock Trooper is the key feat to take.  Oh, and if you want to avoid AoOs for moving during a charge, you can tumble.

[Talore]

From what read of Power Lunge, that feat provokes AoOs if you use it, which is the only type of AoO Longfang prevents, and only on the first round of combat.  If you want to deal more damage on a charge, Shock Trooper is the key feat to take.  Oh, and if you want to avoid AoOs for moving during a charge, you can tumble.

Look, I haven't posted recently but I've been around the boards for a few years. I know the standard tropes, I know how to minmax. I just learned of another tool in the toolbox and I want to know where to find it.

[Halinn]

A search seems to indicate that it appeared in dragon magazine #303 on or near page 54. I can't verify personally, as I do not have that issue, but try looking there.

Edit: it's on page 60 of said issue. I don't suggest going for it, because of the feat tax, but there you go.

[sirpercival]

A search seems to indicate that it appeared in dragon magazine #303 on or near page 54. I can't verify personally, as I do not have that issue, but try looking there.

Yes, that's true.  It's on page 60 -- the Lizardfolk fighting style (so... kind of a feat, kind of not).  Requires Power Lunge from Sword & Fist.  It's 3.0 material, whatevs.

[Talore]

A search seems to indicate that it appeared in dragon magazine #303 on or near page 54. I can't verify personally, as I do not have that issue, but try looking there.

Edit: it's on page 60 of said issue. I don't suggest going for it, because of the feat tax, but there you go.

Thank you very much Halinn (Psst, show up to the P&PI in MTGS sometime!)

EDIT: After reading the article in the Dragon Magazine, it seems that Longfang and the other martial art styles listed in the article aren't actually feats.

This form is made up of a list of feats., but characters attain mastery of the martial art by gaining a few specific feats and ranks in particular skills. Once a character meets the prerequisites, she gains the benefit of the martial arts style.

So you don't even have to take these as feats, you automatically gain them once you meet the prerequisites. So longfang seems pretty decent for a character that is already going in that direction, gaining Short Haft and avoiding the AoO of Power Lunge in the first round for free.

[Halinn]

(Psst, show up to the P&PI in MTGS sometime!)

I've lost interest in MTG.

EDIT: After reading the article in the Dragon Magazine, it seems that Longfang and the other martial art styles listed in the article aren't actually feats.

This form is made up of a list of feats., but characters attain mastery of the martial art by gaining a few specific feats and ranks in particular skills. Once a character meets the prerequisites, she gains the benefit of the martial arts style.

So you don't even have to take these as feats, you automatically gain them once you meet the prerequisites. So longfang seems pretty decent for a character that is already going in that direction, gaining Short Haft and avoiding the AoO of Power Lunge in the first round for free.

Weapon Focus is not a very good feat, you probably won't have a feat available for improved initiative on a melee, power lunge is not that big an improvement compared to stuff like leap attack or shock trooper, improved critical is usually best handled with a keen weapon (feats being more valuable than gold) and most melee characters will not be able to spend the skill ranks on both hide and move silently.

[sirpercival]

If you're low on feats, I have just the thing for you!

[Talore]

(Psst, show up to the P&PI in MTGS sometime!)

I've lost interest in MTG.

EDIT: After reading the article in the Dragon Magazine, it seems that Longfang and the other martial art styles listed in the article aren't actually feats.

This form is made up of a list of feats., but characters attain mastery of the martial art by gaining a few specific feats and ranks in particular skills. Once a character meets the prerequisites, she gains the benefit of the martial arts style.

So you don't even have to take these as feats, you automatically gain them once you meet the prerequisites. So longfang seems pretty decent for a character that is already going in that direction, gaining Short Haft and avoiding the AoO of Power Lunge in the first round for free.

Weapon Focus is not a very good feat, you probably won't have a feat available for improved initiative on a melee, power lunge is not that big an improvement compared to stuff like leap attack or shock trooper, improved critical is usually best handled with a keen weapon (feats being more valuable than gold) and most melee characters will not be able to spend the skill ranks on both hide and move silently.

Weapon focus can be obtained a number of ways, like Swordsage 1. Improved Initiative is easily obtained while going down Warblade, power lunge can always be taken in addition to other charger feats and it is pretty straight-forward and powerful,) improved critical can also be cheated with little difficulty, and the skill ranks can come naturally for melee characters if you pick your classes right (or if you're gestalting, which seems pretty popular nowadays). Obviously Longfang is not something that is going to come into play for a lot of characters, but it IS worth noting, as some characters can get it fairly easily. It's not like feats are hard to pick up.