Invisible Spell and Sneak Attack

[Captnq]

Ya know, this started over in my spell discussion thread, but I have a clarifying question here.

Suppose I have a Silent, Still, Eschew Materials any roll to hit attack spell. Lets go with Scorching Ray.

Now, I make it invisible spell.

I stand there, arms folded, staring at someone who just pulled a knife on me.

Now, I'm a wizard/rogue so I have sneak attack.

I shoot my invisible spell. Does my target lose his dex-bonus because the spell is invisible?

Can I use Sneak attack with it?

I get three rays and my enemy gets back-up. Now there are three targets.

Can I sneak attack all three?

[SneeR]

Any sane DM would say yes. I'd have to reread the exact text of Invisible Spell to know for sure RAW, but that is honestly a lot of work for a few extra d6. Only a jerk would say no.

Besides, that's the coolest mental image ever: some skinny sleazy fellow folding his arms and cocking his eyebrow before his marauders explode into fiery doom.

[Amadi]

If they haven't acted yet and you just blow them out of nowhere, they are flat-footed by default and therefore you get the sneak attack. If you want to do this in the middle of a combat, things get a bit trickier. If you were invisible yourself, it would be clear that you get the sneak attack bonus. Right now, I don't see anything RAW saying that you'd get it with spells coming out of nowhere.

But yeah, almost any sane DM would rule in favour of it. You're spending a fairly decent amount of spell levels to be able to sneak attack targets without see invisible. Hell, you're using damaging spells to begin with. It's hardly an overpowering build.

But yeah, check your DM beforehand. Some people can be quite strict about stuff like this.

[Yirrare]

If they haven't acted yet and you just blow them out of nowhere, they are flat-footed by default and therefore you get the sneak attack. If you want to do this in the middle of a combat, things get a bit trickier. If you were invisible yourself, it would be clear that you get the sneak attack bonus. Right now, I don't see anything RAW saying that you'd get it with spells coming out of nowhere.

But yeah, almost any sane DM would rule in favour of it. You're spending a fairly decent amount of spell levels to be able to sneak attack targets without see invisible. Hell, you're using damaging spells to begin with. It's hardly an overpowering build.

But yeah, check your DM beforehand. Some people can be quite strict about stuff like this.

This might not be hard evidence, but read the text for Blurstrike (a weapon enchantment found in MIC). It pretty much says the creature is flat-footed against the weapon since it can not see it (unless it does not rely on sight).

I would say it works, but I can offer no RAW evidence.

Kindly
Yirrare