Early level, Dragon Magazine, op?

[Hotsoup]

Got roped into playing a campaign. Everything is available as a resource, including Dragon Magazine, which i've never been allowed to touch before. I know there is plenty of insane things in it, though I've forgotten.

Given that, and that I'd like to be "powerful" from the getgo, as opposed to far later in the game, what are some insane stuff, even from DM that would be awesome for a lvl 1?

[Risada]

Any idea for a build? Want to run a Wizard? A Fighter? A commoner?

A few more info:

-What's your starting level?
-What's your stats?
-What do you already have in mind?

[Alexei]

What do you enjoy playing the most? From there, optimize accordingly to your group. Give us info, we need it

[Hotsoup]

Standard 25 point buy, lvl 1.

I'm flexible, I'll play anything. Considering how often were going to be playing, and the group, I expect it to go slowly, and we won't get past say, level 6. Optimize accordingly.

[Risada]

Human Druid 6.

Stats: Str 10 Dex 13 Con 14 Int 12 Wis 15 Cha 8
Feats: Natural Spell at 6.

Even with DragonMag, it's very hard to beat a Druid - Animal companion, Wild shape, spells...

Now, what do you know about the rest of the group? Maybe you could optimize something the group lacks...

[Hotsoup]

yes, I'm aware that a lvl 6 druid kicks ass. The same can be said of a level 6 cleric or wizard. But your rather average at level 1. I'm asking you guys to think outside the box here, abuse any resource. This is the Min/Max forum isn't it? Try and break things.

[Risada]

yes, I'm aware that a lvl 6 druid kicks ass. The same can be said of a level 6 cleric or wizard. But your rather average at level 1. I'm asking you guys to think outside the box here, abuse any resource. This is the Min/Max forum isn't it? Try and break things.

I don't mean to offend here... but we are not here so you can come and ask "Gimme the most op char EVAR!!1!1". We want (and is expected from you) you give us something to work with. Merely asking for a character won't get very far, since the suggestions will be the same - CoDzilla 6 or God Wizard 6.

Tell us what you want to do, like "I want to deal as much damage as possible with a Warlock at level 6. Maybe using Mortalbane feat". Giving us something like that may reward you with better responses.

[Alexei]

yes, I'm aware that a lvl 6 druid kicks ass. The same can be said of a level 6 cleric or wizard. But your rather average at level 1. I'm asking you guys to think outside the box here, abuse any resource. This is the Min/Max forum isn't it? Try and break things.

Loredrake Dragonwrought Venerable Magic-Blooded Jungle Kobold Sorcerer standard cheese?

Try to tell a bit about what you really enjoy, what your party will be, the role you are most comfortable taking... seriously, it's easy to tell a bit, or you'll get the standard suggestions

[Hotsoup]

Anything. I am flexible. I don't care what I play, I enjoy power. I've played all sorts of various roles, and I am not more happy in one than another. I enjoy playing the game, not a specific class.

as I said, I know CoDzilla, and I know at level 6 it gets nasty.

No, I can't be PunPun.

I'm looking to optimize from the start, from level one. I do not want to wait half a year to be level X to start optimizing.

[Alexei]

I wasn't suggesting Pun-Pun, just the part of being a level 3 Sorcerer at level 1 with a high Cha score.

If you want power, play a Conjurer, it's fun from level 1 to 20.
Immediate magic, spend a feat to get a Hummingbird familiar, go focused specialist and get the stats the Handbook suggests for 25-point buy. From level 1 you can cast battlefield control, and you have the options open to be creative

[Hotsoup]

Loredrake Dragonwrought Venerable Magic-Blooded Jungle Kobold Sorcerer standard cheese?

I assume thats sarcasm, but that is exactly the sort of advice I'm looking for. I used to know D&D inside and out, all the classes and cheese, exploits, loopholes, I've simply been away for 3-4 years now and I've forgotten things.

[Alexei]

Loredrake Dragonwrought Venerable Magic-Blooded Jungle Kobold Sorcerer standard cheese?

I assume thats sarcasm, but that is exactly the sort of advice I'm looking for. I used to know D&D inside and out, all the classes and cheese, exploits, loopholes, I've simply been away for 3-4 years now and I've forgotten things.

I haven't written down the [sarcasm] tags, so don't go all defensive. Is your party made of good optimisers? Are they a bunch of roleplaying fellows who don't pay attention to the sheet? It all depends on the group, so don't be shy and give information on things.

A factotum is fun all the time from level 1, and can do everything at level 3, or you could play... oh, a Warblade, and dip Lion Totem Barbarian and Fighter at 3rd and 4th level for Pounce and Extra Rage, use Whirling Frenzy and enjoy combat with your greatsword

[SorO_Lost]

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Necropoliton Wild Proto-Dragonborn Aquatic Orc Martial Monk 1
Medium Humanoid [dragonblooded, orc]
HD: 1d12+4 (16 HP)
Initiative: +5
Speed: land 45ft, swim 45ft.
AC: 18 (1 dex, 1 wis, 5 natural, 1 untyped)
Attack: Club [21] melee (1d6+16 +1d6 cold)
Full Attack: [19]/+14 melee (1d6+16 +1d6 cold)
Saves: Fort +2, Relf +3, Will +3.
Abilities (PB 32): Str 18+10+4 (+11), Dex 14-2 (+1). Con 8+2+--, Int 8-6 (-3), Wis 14-2 (+1), Cha 10-8 (-4).
Skills: 4-3*4+1 Points, +2 Racial on Listen/Spot, -2 to Bluff/Diplo/Sense.
Feats: *Any*, Weapon Supremacy.
Languages: Common, Draconic, Orc.

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Necropoliton (LM)
Undead Immunities, get a powerful Necromancer for; +4 Enhancement to Str, +10 to Speed, +4 to Initiative, +1d6 Cold with melee attacks, +2 to Natural AC, +4 to Turn Resistance (total +6), blows up when killed. ~Note, taking the template requires losing a level, so what if you have a longer back story than everyone else, you're still ECL 1.

Wild (Dragon #306 pg65)
+2 Str, -2 Int, -2 Cha, +5 to Speed, +1 Skill Point per level, +2 Racial on Listen/Spot, -2 to Bluff/Diplo/Sense.

Proto-Creature (Beastiary of Krynn, pg89)
+3 to Natural AC, +4 on saves to resist Mind-Affecting abilities, +4 Str, +2 Con, -2 Int, -4 Cha, and some other flavorful don't care stuff.

Dragonborn (RotD)
Low-Light Vision, Breath Weapon, Draconic Language, Dragonblooded, +2 Con, -2 Dex. As a Proto or even a former lv2 you ignore the 100gp cost to transform.

Water (UA/SRD)
Gain a Swim Speed Equal to your Land Speed, Dragonborn removes the rest but doesn't change Speed.

Orc (Core)
+4 Str, -2 Int, -2 Wis. -2 Cha, Dragonborn removes the rest but doesn't change Racial Ability Modifiers.

Martial (Dragon #208, pg46 I think)
Expands the Monk's Ignore-Prerequisite-Bonus-Feat-List to include any Fighter Bonus Feat, also adds Intimidate to Class Skill List. Take Weapon Supremacy(PHBII) for +1 to AC, +5 to all attacks after the first, and 1/round take 10 on an attack roll.

Monk (Core)
+2 all Saves, Bonus Feat (see above), +1 Attack per round on a Full-Round Action, always armed, Wis to AC.

I got bored one day and wondered how many +0 LA templates were printed...

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Necropoliton Wild Proto-Dragonborn Aquatic Orc Martial Monk 1
Medium Humanoid [dragonblooded, orc]
HD: 1d12+4 (16 HP)
Initiative: +5
Speed: land 45ft, swim 45ft.
AC: 18 (1 dex, 1 wis, 5 natural, 1 untyped)
Attack: Club [21] melee (1d6+16 +1d6 cold)
Full Attack: [19]/+14 melee (1d6+16 +1d6 cold)
Saves: Fort +2, Relf +3, Will +3.
Abilities (PB 32): Str 18+10+4 (+11), Dex 14-2 (+1). Con 8+2+--, Int 8-6 (-3), Wis 14-2 (+1), Cha 10-8 (-4).
Skills: 4-3*4+1 Points, +2 Racial on Listen/Spot, -2 to Bluff/Diplo/Sense.
Feats: *Any*, Weapon Supremacy.
Languages: Common, Draconic, Orc.

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Necropoliton (LM)
Undead Immunities, get a powerful Necromancer for; +4 Enhancement to Str, +10 to Speed, +4 to Initiative, +1d6 Cold with melee attacks, +2 to Natural AC, +4 to Turn Resistance (total +6), blows up when killed. ~Note, taking the template requires losing a level, so what if you have a longer back story than everyone else, you're still ECL 1.

Wild (Dragon #306 pg65)
+2 Str, -2 Int, -2 Cha, +5 to Speed, +1 Skill Point per level, +2 Racial on Listen/Spot, -2 to Bluff/Diplo/Sense.

Proto-Creature (Beastiary of Krynn, pg89)
+3 to Natural AC, +4 on saves to resist Mind-Affecting abilities, +4 Str, +2 Con, -2 Int, -4 Cha, and some other flavorful don't care stuff.

Dragonborn (RotD)
Low-Light Vision, Breath Weapon, Draconic Language, Dragonblooded, +2 Con, -2 Dex. As a Proto or even a former lv2 you ignore the 100gp cost to transform.

Water (UA/SRD)
Gain a Swim Speed Equal to your Land Speed, Dragonborn removes the rest but doesn't change Speed.

Orc (Core)
+4 Str, -2 Int, -2 Wis. -2 Cha, Dragonborn removes the rest but doesn't change Racial Ability Modifiers.

Martial (Dragon #208, pg46 I think)
Expands the Monk's Ignore-Prerequisite-Bonus-Feat-List to include any Fighter Bonus Feat, also adds Intimidate to Class Skill List. Take Weapon Supremacy(PHBII) for +1 to AC, +5 to all attacks after the first, and 1/round take 10 on an attack roll.

Monk (Core)
+2 all Saves, Bonus Feat (see above), +1 Attack per round on a Full-Round Action, always armed, Wis to AC.

I got bored one day and wondered how many +0 LA templates were printed...

This and the "Loredrake Dragonwrought Venerable Magic-Blooded Jungle Kobold Sorcerer standard cheese? " Are the cool idea's I'm looking for. I apologize if I was offensive Alexsi, that long string of templates just had me assuming it couldn't be, but I see I was mistaken. Very neat.

[sirpercival]

If you end up getting to higher levels, the Wild Reaper druid variant is quite nice.  You get turn undead at level 12 to power DMM, and you get fast healing & fast ability healing.

If you really want dragon mag cheese, though, you want to play with theurgy and psiotheurgy feats.  How about a Conjurer/Knight of the Weave/Ultimate Magus with Theurgic specialist?  Especially if you can get full use out of Reserves of Strength.

Or a changeling dual-specialist/egoist/cerebremancer with psiotheurgist in the appropriate schools.  That could be fun... buff your party and use metamorphosis to rock out with level-inappropriate forms.

[Maat Mons]

The pugilist fighter variant (Dragon 310, p37) lets you select an ability called shake it off instead of a fighter bonus feat.  Shake it off turns all damage you take into nonlethal damage.  If you play a warforged with the improved resiliency feat (Races of Eberron), you become immune to nonlethal damage.  (I'd be surprised if shake it off is allowed, but I'm throwing it out anyway.) 

The troll-blooded feat (Dragon 319, p61) gives you regeneration 1, overcome by acid or fire.  It has the drawback of making you fatigued in sunlight.  One level of divine mind (Complete Psionic), selecting the repose mantle, allows you to ignore the effects of fatigue while psionically focused. 

Necropoliton

You have to be at least 3rd level to survive acquiring the necropolitan template. 

[awaken_D_M_golem]

A near borkt Divine Mind ... NNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooo ...
 


Erudite (original) 1 w/ Elemental Envoy + Powerstone feats
... use the Powerstone based recharge.
{boing boing}  That'll teach the DM !

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Necropoliton Wild Proto-Dragonborn Aquatic Orc Martial Monk 1
Medium Humanoid [dragonblooded, orc]
HD: 1d12+4 (16 HP)
Initiative: +5
Speed: land 45ft, swim 45ft.
AC: 18 (1 dex, 1 wis, 5 natural, 1 untyped)
Attack: Club [21] melee (1d6+16 +1d6 cold)
Full Attack: [19]/+14 melee (1d6+16 +1d6 cold)
Saves: Fort +2, Relf +3, Will +3.
Abilities (PB 32): Str 18+10+4 (+11), Dex 14-2 (+1). Con 8+2+--, Int 8-6 (-3), Wis 14-2 (+1), Cha 10-8 (-4).
Skills: 4-3*4+1 Points, +2 Racial on Listen/Spot, -2 to Bluff/Diplo/Sense.
Feats: *Any*, Weapon Supremacy.
Languages: Common, Draconic, Orc.

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Necropoliton (LM)
Undead Immunities, get a powerful Necromancer for; +4 Enhancement to Str, +10 to Speed, +4 to Initiative, +1d6 Cold with melee attacks, +2 to Natural AC, +4 to Turn Resistance (total +6), blows up when killed. ~Note, taking the template requires losing a level, so what if you have a longer back story than everyone else, you're still ECL 1.

Wild (Dragon #306 pg65)
+2 Str, -2 Int, -2 Cha, +5 to Speed, +1 Skill Point per level, +2 Racial on Listen/Spot, -2 to Bluff/Diplo/Sense.

Proto-Creature (Beastiary of Krynn, pg89)
+3 to Natural AC, +4 on saves to resist Mind-Affecting abilities, +4 Str, +2 Con, -2 Int, -4 Cha, and some other flavorful don't care stuff.

Dragonborn (RotD)
Low-Light Vision, Breath Weapon, Draconic Language, Dragonblooded, +2 Con, -2 Dex. As a Proto or even a former lv2 you ignore the 100gp cost to transform.

Water (UA/SRD)
Gain a Swim Speed Equal to your Land Speed, Dragonborn removes the rest but doesn't change Speed.

Orc (Core)
+4 Str, -2 Int, -2 Wis. -2 Cha, Dragonborn removes the rest but doesn't change Racial Ability Modifiers.

Martial (Dragon #208, pg46 I think)
Expands the Monk's Ignore-Prerequisite-Bonus-Feat-List to include any Fighter Bonus Feat, also adds Intimidate to Class Skill List. Take Weapon Supremacy(PHBII) for +1 to AC, +5 to all attacks after the first, and 1/round take 10 on an attack roll.

Monk (Core)
+2 all Saves, Bonus Feat (see above), +1 Attack per round on a Full-Round Action, always armed, Wis to AC.

I got bored one day and wondered how many +0 LA templates were printed...

That is the funniest shit I've seen in a week. Holy crap I love it. What's his name? Background? What would you have to do to be this... thing? What's he look like? I MUST KNOW!

I have a suggestion: ZERO MAN!

[Hotsoup]

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Necropoliton Wild Proto-Dragonborn Aquatic Orc Martial Monk 1
Medium Humanoid [dragonblooded, orc]
HD: 1d12+4 (16 HP)
Initiative: +5
Speed: land 45ft, swim 45ft.
AC: 18 (1 dex, 1 wis, 5 natural, 1 untyped)
Attack: Club [21] melee (1d6+16 +1d6 cold)
Full Attack: [19]/+14 melee (1d6+16 +1d6 cold)
Saves: Fort +2, Relf +3, Will +3.
Abilities (PB 32): Str 18+10+4 (+11), Dex 14-2 (+1). Con 8+2+--, Int 8-6 (-3), Wis 14-2 (+1), Cha 10-8 (-4).
Skills: 4-3*4+1 Points, +2 Racial on Listen/Spot, -2 to Bluff/Diplo/Sense.
Feats: *Any*, Weapon Supremacy.
Languages: Common, Draconic, Orc.

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Necropoliton (LM)
Undead Immunities, get a powerful Necromancer for; +4 Enhancement to Str, +10 to Speed, +4 to Initiative, +1d6 Cold with melee attacks, +2 to Natural AC, +4 to Turn Resistance (total +6), blows up when killed. ~Note, taking the template requires losing a level, so what if you have a longer back story than everyone else, you're still ECL 1.

Wild (Dragon #306 pg65)
+2 Str, -2 Int, -2 Cha, +5 to Speed, +1 Skill Point per level, +2 Racial on Listen/Spot, -2 to Bluff/Diplo/Sense.

Proto-Creature (Beastiary of Krynn, pg89)
+3 to Natural AC, +4 on saves to resist Mind-Affecting abilities, +4 Str, +2 Con, -2 Int, -4 Cha, and some other flavorful don't care stuff.

Dragonborn (RotD)
Low-Light Vision, Breath Weapon, Draconic Language, Dragonblooded, +2 Con, -2 Dex. As a Proto or even a former lv2 you ignore the 100gp cost to transform.

Water (UA/SRD)
Gain a Swim Speed Equal to your Land Speed, Dragonborn removes the rest but doesn't change Speed.

Orc (Core)
+4 Str, -2 Int, -2 Wis. -2 Cha, Dragonborn removes the rest but doesn't change Racial Ability Modifiers.

Martial (Dragon #208, pg46 I think)
Expands the Monk's Ignore-Prerequisite-Bonus-Feat-List to include any Fighter Bonus Feat, also adds Intimidate to Class Skill List. Take Weapon Supremacy(PHBII) for +1 to AC, +5 to all attacks after the first, and 1/round take 10 on an attack roll.

Monk (Core)
+2 all Saves, Bonus Feat (see above), +1 Attack per round on a Full-Round Action, always armed, Wis to AC.

I got bored one day and wondered how many +0 LA templates were printed...

That is the funniest shit I've seen in a week. Holy crap I love it. What's his name? Background? What would you have to do to be this... thing? What's he look like? I MUST KNOW!

I have a suggestion: ZERO MAN!

It's unfortunatly illegal, but it's in the spirit of the sort of insane shenanigans I wish to do.

[SorO_Lost]

It's unfortunatly illegal, but it's in the spirit of the sort of insane shenanigans I wish to do.

And how?

Say your at 3,000~4,999 XP, Necro makes you lose a level per Raise Dead.

The character’s new XP total is midway between the minimum needed for his or her new (reduced) level and the minimum needed for the next one.

Now you have 1,500xp. Necro further entails a -1,000 reduction leaving you at 500 or Level 1. Further since you gain more Wealth than needed for WBL expressly for consumables (see said template) you certainly should have enough to afford it and even reset you back to a lv1's Wealth like you should be.

There is nothing illegal or incorrect about being an ECL1 Necropoliton. The only thing that changed is you replace "level 2" with "level 3" in my post in the excuse section, whoopie.