Experienced player needing help breaking away from crappy builds

[SorO_Lost]

To gauge power of the group, this is what we got and how people see it:

4  The Psionic Guy - This guy knows how to break your basic psionic class and just does so.  He solo'd an elder evil at CL 9 with the help of an underwhelming gunslinger.(verdict is still out on that tho)  His characters are always the strongest of the group imho due to psionic system mastery.

lol.

Psionics iz zee brokenz!

[Halinn]

To gauge power of the group, this is what we got and how people see it:

4  The Psionic Guy - This guy knows how to break your basic psionic class and just does so.  He solo'd an elder evil at CL 9 with the help of an underwhelming gunslinger.(verdict is still out on that tho)  His characters are always the strongest of the group imho due to psionic system mastery.

lol.

Psionics iz zee brokenz!

Psionics is broken, when you break it. Several TO or semi-TO tricks exist within the system. Remember, less broken does not mean not broken.

[Soft Insanity]

Psionics iz zee brokenz!

I didn't say it was a bad thing.  Yes, psionics is about as broken as magic.  Where they mix is what you suggested Xanola play, but StP Erudite is a weak wannabe Psi-Art imho.  Anyway, we're trying to steer away from theoretical and more towards practical optimization.  Veil is fine for that, Planar Shepard probably not.  A sorcerer who does what you claim would also probably not fly.

We've got a few players who will post if they think somebody is "broken" and if enough people chime in, you better get ready for an early retirement.  Of course nearly all of the claims are baseless imho.

[SorO_Lost]

Psionics iz zee brokenz!

I didn't say it was a bad thing.  Yes, psionics is about as broken as magic.  Where they mix is what you suggested Xanola play, but StP Erudite is a weak wannabe Psi-Art imho.  Anyway, we're trying to steer away from theoretical and more towards practical optimization.  Veil is fine for that, Planar Shepard probably not.  A sorcerer who does what you claim would also probably not fly.

Oh neither did I but I still find it funny. All those lengthy threads about psionics isn't broken, yet more often than not they are the best build in the group. The good news if they are correct. the Psi-Art is weak, I don't understand why people talk about that class either.

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The chief omg do it idea is based on this concept that you probably could make psionic versions of magic items. I'm guessing you forgot transparency works both ways, you probably could make magic versions of psionic items.

Next is your Infusions. You gain Infusions exactly like the Arty, that means you're using the venetian magic system or powers-per-day, you have no PP to use with Metapower Feats as is. Plus, Metamagic Feats are superior, for instance you need 3rd party and house rules to even obtain a psionic version of Persist Spell.

Third, let's talk Points. You don't get to make up your own. The official Spells-Per-Day to Points is in the UA/SRD. Now I don't know on the Bard's list converted over or even if Bard is a good goto for Arty conversion. What I do know is under the Spell Point System a Sorcerer with 34 Charisma gets 410 Spell Points. However, the cost to match the normal Sorcerer's spells per day is around 647 giving you a 36% loss in daily spell power before you even get into the system it's self. And that is, the system forces you to cast spells at their minimum caster level, requiring you to expend even more points to make up the difference. So for a Spell Point Sorcerer to match a normal Sorcerer spells per day we're talking around the value of 1,500 Points or so. You flat out lose power for attempting to adapt Spells-Per-Day to a official Point System and should expect to see the same nerf when converting the Infusions over or you didn't do it right.

So less Infusions per day, worse Meta-Feat list, if Transparency does work there is no gain and if it doesn't you're kicked in the balls some more. Umm... No thanks. I'm fine.

Also, I like my Sorcerer and love that you said it's too powerful. I mean, Primordial Half-Giant? Not as good as pretty much any Magic-Blooded +2 Cha race. Phylactery of Change? It's the reason I'm not using Draconic Polymorph or Shapechange and lulz Self pun is why it's not running around as Dire Turtle Choakers even now. Heck, with Extend it could have a total of 20 Persisted buffs at any given moment, I listed 8 or so. It can do so much more but I already broke the crap out of it, I R happy. Thanks for the compliment.

[veekie]

In this setup, I think the easiest way to catch up here is to use a standard issue Ubercharging/missile storm build.
While the God spellcasting options have more kick and synergise better with the group, they also require a greater degree of tactical skill to place battlefield control effects where they hinder the enemy without screwing up allies.

Ubercharging is simply point and click, if you can reach them they die. Nothing fancy there, just a 2-handed weapon, and as many multipliers and adders to damage as you can get onto it.

Archery on the other hand, simply aims to hit a bajillion times with fistfuls of bonus damage sources, it might be easier to counter(though with your group I doubt Wind Wall or lousy weather would be a problem), and hits less hard, but it does get tactically easier to pull off without shoving yourself into a potential meat grinder.

[zook1shoe]

Also, I like my Sorcerer and love that you said it's too powerful. I mean, Primordial Half-Giant? Not as good as pretty much any Magic-Blooded +2 Cha race. Phylactery of Change? It's the reason I'm not using Draconic Polymorph or Shapechange and lulz Self pun is why it's not running around as Dire Turtle Choakers even now. Heck, with Extend it could have a total of 20 Persisted buffs at any given moment, I listed 8 or so. It can do so much more but I already broke the crap out of it, I R happy. Thanks for the compliment.

How many autocorrects did you have? I could read ~1/3 of that


But seriously, Druid into Planar Shepherd (or MoMF if you care less about spells) seems the best idea.

[Endarire]

And if you decide to go Ubercharger, Hood.

[SorO_Lost]

How many autocorrects did you have? I could read ~1/3 of that

It could use better spacing, but meh. Some times I'm just too tired, busy, or lazy to even proof read.

And if you decide to go Ubercharger, Hood.

OP wants a caster, through yeah you can go ubercharger easy enough. Mine can get x5~x6 as a 14 headed Hydra

[Endarire]

How do you get a 14 headed hydra?  The SRD caps at 12!

[Halinn]

How do you get a 14 headed hydra?  The SRD caps at 12!

Multiheaded template.

The mind boggles at the concept.

[SorO_Lost]

How do you get a 14 headed hydra?  The SRD caps at 12!

Forget that it's "12" and say "14". The buttons are kind of next to each other too...

[sirpercival]

How do you get a 14 headed hydra?  The SRD caps at 12!

Wizard did it.

You know how they say "2 heads are better than 1"? Well...

[Captnq]

How do you get a 14 headed hydra?  The SRD caps at 12!

Wizard did it.

You know how they say "2 heads are better than 1"? Well...

HA!

brings to mind a story...

So on a whim I had a hydra with unlimited heads, but it starts out with one. I wanted to mess with the players. So they saw this red lizard (pryohydra) in the next room so they cast a very narrow Blade barrier on top of it and followed up with a wall of force in a dome to force the creature to remain inside the blade barrier.

They figured out something was wrong when the heads started building up inside the force dome.

So they ran. And soon, rumors of the Hundred Headed Hydra started to surface...

[Empirate]

In reality, it'd go more like this, of course.