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Martial Adept changes
« on: June 28, 2012, 02:42:15 PM »
It seems fairly well accepted that the swordsage is weaker than the other two MAs in most situations. I'd submit the warblade is better than the crusader, both due to better access to disciplines and because of a pretty solid recharge mechanic. That being said, I'd like it if the other two classes were on a similar page to the warblade. What are your thoughts on the following:

Crusader:
The crusader picks one of the six disciplines to which he doesn't have access and gains access to it. This choice is made at level 1 and cannot be changed. The idea is to give the crusader a bit more breadth in selecting abilities to fill up his selected maneuvers, since the choice is normally so narrow. This also gives you different areas of specialty, and makes to crusaders feel different.

Swordsage:
Gain full BAB progression. This is because it's a melee class expected to do melee things. It really should have this. The smaller HD, light armor, and recovery method still encourage skirmishing to an extent, but it should still be hitting just as often.



That being said, I still think that this leaves the swordsage behind, somewhat. I'd like it if the recovery mechanic were better, but I don't know what to do. I made a swashbuckler variant for the class that let you recover a single maneuver if you used the Balance, Jump, or Tumble skill during movement for the turn (you could not use that maneuver that turn). It's kind of a quick patch, but it also really only fits for a swashbuckler archetype.

Any ideas here, either?
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Re: Martial Adept changes
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2012, 03:19:55 PM »
Just giving SS Adaptive Style for free at level 1 would go a long way.  You could make it only work for maneuvers known as a Swordsage if you're worried about abuse. 

I really like the idea of giving Crusaders an additional school to pick.  Make sure you give them the associated skill as a Class Skill for all Crusader levels though, if they don't already have it. 
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Re: Martial Adept changes
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2012, 03:42:26 PM »
What about making maneuvers known the same as maneuvers readied?

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Re: Martial Adept changes
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2012, 03:46:56 PM »
Just giving SS Adaptive Style for free at level 1 would go a long way.  You could make it only work for maneuvers known as a Swordsage if you're worried about abuse. 
I thought of that. It's bland, but it does get rid of one of the most obvious feat taxes in the game.


I really like the idea of giving Crusaders an additional school to pick.  Make sure you give them the associated skill as a Class Skill for all Crusader levels though, if they don't already have it.
I like this.


What about making maneuvers known the same as maneuvers readied?
For the swordsage?
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Re: Martial Adept changes
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2012, 03:50:56 PM »
What about making maneuvers known the same as maneuvers readied?
For the swordsage?
Well, in general. I never really understood why they were separate...

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Re: Martial Adept changes
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2012, 03:53:25 PM »
Another change I roll with is assigning each class a primary initiating stat for supernatural maneuvers instead of having one discipline be Wisdom and another Charisma for DCs. I realize this is a little change, but we don't base Transmutation spells on one stat and Abjuration on another.

Physical maneuvers remain the same, though.

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Re: Martial Adept changes
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2012, 03:58:28 PM »
Off-topic, but:

base Transmutation spells on one stat and Abjuration on another.

Hmm... :plotting

I know there are few fans of 3.0 psionics, but I thought that was one of the more interesting concepts..
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