I know CV Ninjas suck. But I want to make them work...

[emaNsdrawkcaB]

Firstly, here's the very little I have so far:

Ascetic Stalker allows you to stack Ninja with Monk.
Invisible Fist Monk gives you a 1 every 3 rounds invisibility.
Enduring Ki allows you to use an additional use of your daily Ki to have it last for 2 rounds.
Darkstalker means alternative methods of finding you are thwarted.
Spectral Skirmisher gives you an effective +5 to Move Silently and AoOs against people trying to attack you.
Evasive Reflexes let's you give anyone the slip if they target the right square.

So, anyone else have anything to add?
Let's take this zero and make it into a hero.

[Jackinthegreen]

http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=1767.msg17675#msg17675 is one take on it.  Admittedly it's more swashbuckler than ninja, but it is fairly useful regardless.

Dragon Mag 342 pg 86 has some ninja stuff including some decent feats.  It also makes mention that a ninja using a kusari-gama gets Dex to trip and disarm attempts instead of strength.  There is another Dragon with more ninja feats but it'll take me a bit to find.  Come to think of it I'll probably post it after I've slept since I'm not keen on reading much right now.

Edit: Realized I didn't put the Dragon Mag number.  It's 342 that the "historical ninja" section was published.  351 has the elemental variants.

[PlzBreakMyCampaign]

How does that linked build get pounce? There is no barb level...

[Jackinthegreen]

How does that linked build get pounce? There is no barb level...

Notice the second feat?  Lion Tribe Pounce.

[Nameless Void]

So this is a Pathfinder character then?

Edit: Or are you thinking Lion Tribe Warrior Feat which allows Pounce with a single light weapon after a charge?

[Jackinthegreen]

So this is a Pathfinder character then?

Edit: Or are you thinking Lion Tribe Warrior Feat which allows Pounce with a single light weapon after a charge?

I'm pretty sure that the build meant to reference Lion Tribe Warrior but got things mixed up.  As for the number of attacks...  It looks like it might be a slight misinterpretation of the feat to be honest.

[Nameless Void]

The Pathfinder Feat allows true Pounce though?

What exactly are you wanting the Ninja to do emaNsdrawkcaB? And does it have to be all the Ninja class?

[SleepyShadow]

http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=2823

Some shameless plugging for The Quintessential Ninja Handbook.

[Amechra]

As the guy who made that build... yeah, it's Lion Tribe Warrior, and the weapon that the build uses are Crescent Knives, which double th number of attacks you get (they are stupidly borken things from Dragon, what do you expect?)

[Jackinthegreen]

It looks like the main issue with it is the feat says you only get to do the pounce with a single weapon, which would prevent using TWF with it.

[Arz]

Firstly, here's the very little I have so far:

Ascetic Stalker allows you to stack Ninja with Monk.
Invisible Fist Monk gives you a 1 every 3 rounds invisibility.
Enduring Ki allows you to use an additional use of your daily Ki to have it last for 2 rounds.
Darkstalker means alternative methods of finding you are thwarted.
Spectral Skirmisher gives you an effective +5 to Move Silently and AoOs against people trying to attack you.
Evasive Reflexes let's you give anyone the slip if they target the right square.

So, anyone else have anything to add?
Let's take this zero and make it into a hero.

Drop Invisible fist as it is duping your ghostiness.
Don't take more than the 2nd monk level if you can help it.

[emaNsdrawkcaB]

@Jackinthegreen: Concerning the build, I don't agree with the liberal interpretation of Daring Outlaw.
Nor do I think that 2 attacks at the end of a charge is worthy of  a feat.
Although he gets INT to damage, I'm not that impressed with the feats being used to key Monk stuff off Int, either.
Crescent Knife is cheesy. The whole build is cheesy. At that point, why not just go Dark Moon Disciple Monk?

I was thinking something more practical.

@SleepyHollow: As for the Handbook, I had already taken a look at it. Nice job. Where the Versatile feat is written?

@Arz: Finally, why would I drop Invisible Fist? I can be Invisible for as long as I have Ki... That's half the trick.


I'd think that Mage Slayer, Blind Fight, Pierce Magical Concealment, and maybe Pierce Magical Protection, too.

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Strongheart Halfling

1 - Fighter - Martial Study (Shadow Hand) -> Darkstalker, Martial Stance (Island of Blades), Blind Fight, Evasive Reflexes, Yondalla's Sense
2 - Fighter - Shadow Blade
3 - Fighter - Mage Slayer
4 - Ninja -
5 - Ninja -
6 - Monk - Weapon Finesse, Improved Unarmed Strike, Enduring Ki
7 - Monk - Ascetic Stalker
8 - Fighter - Martial Stalker
9 - Fighter - Pierce Magical Concealment
10 - Fighter - Boomerang Daze
11 - Fighter -
12 - Fighter - Pierce Magical Protection, Spectral Skirmisher
13 - Fighter -
14 - Fighter - Boomerang Ricochet
15 - Fighter - Craven
16 - Fighter - Weapon Focus (Talenta Boomerang)
17 - Fighter -
18 - Fighter - Two Weapon Fighting, Dead Eye
19 - Fighter -
20 - Fighter - Rapid Shot

Invisible Fist, Sleeping Tiger, Monk
Hit and Run, Fighter
2 Flaws.
Use +1 Aptitude Sai.

[Nameless Void]

Hate to say it.. You only have 2 levels of Ninja in there... That's a Fighter build, not a Ninja.

[emaNsdrawkcaB]

Well, yeah, but it's an optimized build that includes many ideas of what can be done with the Ninja class alone, wrapped into one.

As a Ninja, you could choose to do some of them, not all. From my experience, most DMs wouldn't let this at their table.

[awaken_D_M_golem]

Hate to say it.. You only have 2 levels of Ninja in there... That's a Fighter build, not a Ninja.

  ... shhhh

[Nameless Void]

Hate to say it.. You only have 2 levels of Ninja in there... That's a Fighter build, not a Ninja.

  ... shhhh

 

[akalsaris]

I recall that Dragon magazine 354 allowed the air-type ninjas to drop smoke bombs as a swift action that could both contain an inhaled poison and Be a solid fog (and the ninja is immune to both effects).

[Jackinthegreen]

I recall that Dragon magazine 354 allowed the air-type ninjas to drop smoke bombs as a swift action that could both contain an inhaled poison and Be a solid fog (and the ninja is immune to both effects).

There is nothing in 354 that gives air ninjas more abilities.  The only rules in it are for the earth, fire, and water ninjas.