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Offline blind sight

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« on: July 06, 2012, 04:21:04 PM »
Is there ANY way for Druid to have the Chaotic Evil alignment?
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« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2012, 05:37:57 PM »
Ignore the stupid alignment restriction?
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« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2012, 05:50:55 PM »
Quote from: SneeR on July 06, 2012, 05:37:57 PM
Ignore the stupid alignment restriction?
Not an option, sadly.
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« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2012, 05:58:25 PM »
Having an alignment subtype that differs from your actual alignment allows you to count as having multiple different alignments simultaneously for some purposes.  What are you trying to accomplish? 
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« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2012, 06:14:43 PM »
neutral evil is chaotic evil if you can explain if the action benefits you beyond he could hurt me someday, but if you need it for some pre-req then no I don't think you can.
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« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2012, 07:58:48 PM »
The feat Ordered Chaos in Fiendish Codex I lets you count as chaotic for some purposes, but not many.
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« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2012, 11:18:02 PM »
I remember seeing a template that specifically gets rid all alignment restrictions, I think its from Dragonlance
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« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2012, 11:33:11 PM »
Hellbred may also help depending on what you are attempting.
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« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2012, 10:27:33 AM »
I'm playing a Lolth-Touched Arrow Demon for a gestalt game. I have no leeway for the "always chaotic evil" aspect, and due to houserules, there aren't many other ways to do what I'm trying to accomplish.
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« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2012, 10:28:32 AM »
Quote from: littha on July 06, 2012, 11:33:11 PM
Hellbred may also help depending on what you are attempting.

I'm going to check the Campaign Setting book, but I'd like to know which of the books you're referring too.
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« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2012, 10:37:10 AM »
Spend a week around an Emissary of Barachiel and fail your saves (which you will).  Then you'll be CN.
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« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2012, 10:39:50 AM »
Quote from: sirpercival on July 07, 2012, 10:37:10 AM
Spend a week around an Emissary of Barachiel and fail your saves (which you will).  Then you'll be CN.

It's an arena game. I need a strictly mechanical method for changing the restriction of druid.
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Re: *deep breath*
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2012, 10:49:40 AM »
Quote from: blind sight on July 07, 2012, 10:39:50 AM
Quote from: sirpercival on July 07, 2012, 10:37:10 AM
Spend a week around an Emissary of Barachiel and fail your saves (which you will).  Then you'll be CN.

It's an arena game. I need a strictly mechanical method for changing the restriction of druid.

Have the Emissary of Barachiel be your cohort via leadership.
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« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2012, 10:52:15 AM »
Quote from: sirpercival on July 07, 2012, 10:49:40 AM
Quote from: blind sight on July 07, 2012, 10:39:50 AM
Quote from: sirpercival on July 07, 2012, 10:37:10 AM
Spend a week around an Emissary of Barachiel and fail your saves (which you will).  Then you'll be CN.

It's an arena game. I need a strictly mechanical method for changing the restriction of druid.

Have the Emissary of Barachiel be your cohort via leadership.

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Re: *deep breath*
« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2012, 10:59:17 AM »
Always chaotic evil does not mean literally always, just an overwhelming majority ("often" = 40%, "usually" = 60%, "always" = 90%). A creature who's literally made of chaos and evil can be Lawful Good; being one step away from the usual alignment is by no means weird (it doesn't even have any effect on worshipping your god; Lloth in particular has more NE worshippers than CE ones). And individuals who stray from that alignment are more likely to become adventurers.
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« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2012, 11:04:39 AM »
Quote from: Prime32 on July 07, 2012, 10:59:17 AM
Always chaotic evil does not mean literally always, just an overwhelming majority ("often" = 40%, "usually" = 60%, "always" = 90%). ]A creature who's literally made of chaos and evil can be Lawful Good; being one step away from the usual alignment is by no means weird. And individuals who stray from that alignment are more likely to become adventurers.

I know this is odd, but I have to stick strictly to the alignment of the race. But I'm hoping their's a variant of druid that kets me change alignment. I guess not.
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« Reply #16 on: July 07, 2012, 11:43:01 AM »
Any possibility of going into Blighter? It's generally poor op-fu, but it might get you some of what you need. Wildshape Ranger on the opposite gestalt side may also help out, depending on what you want to do.
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« Reply #17 on: July 07, 2012, 11:48:06 AM »
Quote from: Bauglir on July 07, 2012, 11:43:01 AM
Any possibility of going into Blighter? It's generally poor op-fu, but it might get you some of what you need. Wildshape Ranger on the opposite gestalt side may also help out, depending on what you want to do.

Well, the specific build is Arrow Demon HD 10/LA2/Fist of the Forest 3/Lolth-Touched Template 1//Druid 16. I have UA variants that trade Wild Shape and the Animal companion for Wis to AC, Favored Enemy, and the other benefits, since animal forms can't compete with the monster races everyone is playing in. Assume enemies will be fairly optimized themselves, though there are certain houserules in effect that prevent casters from running as rampant as they might normally. The general idea is Wis/Con to AC, outsider goodies, and full Druid casting, of course. I'll check out Blighter.

We have a way of reducing the LA...significantly.
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« Reply #18 on: July 09, 2012, 10:37:09 AM »
Quote from: zook1shoe on July 06, 2012, 11:18:02 PM
I remember seeing a template that specifically gets rid all alignment restrictions, I think its from Dragonlance

Still wondering what this is.
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« Reply #19 on: July 09, 2012, 12:32:23 PM »
Why not be an Archivist / Prestige Ranger?
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