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Re: The Nameless discussion thread
« Reply #60 on: July 12, 2012, 09:44:16 PM »
I've got my possible roles narrowed down more: Support Caster or Gish with BFC.

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Re: The Nameless discussion thread
« Reply #61 on: July 12, 2012, 10:36:24 PM »
It seems that sponsorship isn't as great as I thought. (As I understand it) It is only temporary and you pretty much lose "everything," the only benefit really being that if your selected domains are shared with The Dark God, you get to cast those spells at full strength/caster level. So there's another monkey wrench. It just seems that perhaps a Yuan-Ti Abomination Cleric isn't really going to work out for this campaign. I'd still like to make it work, I'm just not really sure if it'll be that great. Starting off he'd be pretty much a grappler, and we already have(I believe) two meleers.

So thinking more "realistically," might go ahead with a Human Cleric of The Dark God.

Need a bit more in-put though before any final decisions are made, if the Yuan-Ti Cleric can be made to work, awesome. If not, no big deal.
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Re: The Nameless discussion thread
« Reply #62 on: July 13, 2012, 01:15:14 AM »
Well, wouldn't Practiced Spellcaster be enough to offset the CL loss? It still doesn't bypass the spell-failure chance of the domain spells, but countering the CL loss should be useful enough.

I'm sure there are other obstacles toward taking that path, though.
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So, I've got a couple ideas running around right now.

One is to go Displacer Beast 4/Dragonheart Adept 2. Hard to hit, loads of natural attacks per round, and spellshaping formula goodies.

Second is to try out one of TheGeometer's Residuum classes (assuming he posts some of the feats that are essential to playing those classes to full capacity). I love the concept of custom-making spells each round. Capable of ok damage output, but more capable of control aspects and team support.

Third: Choker 2/[spellshaping class] 4 for either super mobility or being able to get off a formula and an attack/grapple. Technically spellshaping formulae aren't spells or powers, and so I could get two off in a round with the Choker's 'Quickness,' but I'm going to assume it'd be houseruled to count the same as spellcasting for this purpose. Still, Move->Shape formula->attack/grapple/etc. isn't a wasted round. Nor is Dragonheart Adept going Breathe formula->full attack sequence. Or Move->Maneuver->Maneuver. Or any combination there-of.
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Re: The Nameless discussion thread
« Reply #63 on: July 13, 2012, 01:36:39 AM »
Aye, most of them RP. The thing is really starting off he'd be a grappler pretty much. It wouldn't be until 8th that'd he'd beable to cast divine spells. And from what I see, a divine caster is a current gap in the party.

While I'd very much like to see if we can make the Yuan-Ti Abomination Cleric work, I think for time-saving-sake, I'm going to go ahead and work on a Human Cleric of the Dark Lord.

While it's established that PBPs are slow and we may never get out of 6th level, what's the highest possible level for this campaign?
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Re: The Nameless discussion thread
« Reply #64 on: July 13, 2012, 09:25:45 AM »
=/=?      At level 8, he'd be a 8th level caster, -2 CL for not worshiping The Dark God would make him a 6th level caster. So that's possibly a loss of 2d, 2 minutes, 2 rounds, 2 hours, etc

Edit: Which raises the question(third time now  :P ) which Yuan-ti Deity does this settng use? Standard D&D one?

Edit 2: Already have a planned Red Lotus member in the party?

=/= is "does not equal".  He'd be an 8th-level caster with a CL of 6. Yes, -2d, -2 levels for duration, etc... but still access to the correct level of spells and the right number of spell slots.

The only homebrew deity is the Dark God.  Any other deities (racial deities, etc.) are standard.

And maybe not... I was just suggesting a possible way to connect a Yuan-Ti and a Firre Eladrin.

Also liking the idea of a Human Cleric of the Dark Lord. Would be alot more simple than the Yuan-ti, so not sure. Need a bit more information and such first.

Seems one of the gaps is a Divine Caster.

Edit: Also, wouldn't a large snake creature be uhhh.....rather obvious...?   :-\

Human Cleric would certainly be easier from a backstory perspective.  But again, I don't want to stifle your creativity... so we can make a YT work if that's what you want to play.

And as for obviousness, that's what Deceivingly Innocent Form or Alternate Form are for.

It seems that sponsorship isn't as great as I thought. (As I understand it) It is only temporary and you pretty much lose "everything," the only benefit really being that if your selected domains are shared with The Dark God, you get to cast those spells at full strength/caster level. So there's another monkey wrench. It just seems that perhaps a Yuan-Ti Abomination Cleric isn't really going to work out for this campaign. I'd still like to make it work, I'm just not really sure if it'll be that great. Starting off he'd be pretty much a grappler, and we already have(I believe) two meleers.

So thinking more "realistically," might go ahead with a Human Cleric of The Dark God.

Need a bit more in-put though before any final decisions are made, if the Yuan-Ti Cleric can be made to work, awesome. If not, no big deal.

The way "sponsorship" works is that you essentially change your deity to the Dark God.  You don't lose anything except access to domains which aren't on the DG's list.  But if you want to go back to worshipping your original deity, you have to atone.

Aye, most of them RP. The thing is really starting off he'd be a grappler pretty much. It wouldn't be until 8th that'd he'd beable to cast divine spells. And from what I see, a divine caster is a current gap in the party.

While I'd very much like to see if we can make the Yuan-Ti Abomination Cleric work, I think for time-saving-sake, I'm going to go ahead and work on a Human Cleric of the Dark Lord.

While it's established that PBPs are slow and we may never get out of 6th level, what's the highest possible level for this campaign?

Highest possible level is 20th.  This is going to be a pretty brutal game, so expect a lot of experience.  Should help offset the slowness of the medium.
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Re: The Nameless discussion thread
« Reply #65 on: July 13, 2012, 10:12:42 AM »
Shadowviper - Cleric
Littha - Dragon Beatstick
Oslecamo - melee/skill monkey rat
Venn Dygrem - still pondering
Me - Buffer Caster or Gish/BFC

Does this look right?

I guess that means I should be the buffer caster since Venn's looking at going melee as well.

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Re: The Nameless discussion thread
« Reply #66 on: July 13, 2012, 10:41:42 AM »
I'll hopefully have some BFC covered with lockdown tripping and bull rushing.  Bloodstorm Blade and boomerang daze won't come online for several more levels but from the looks of it we'll be quite well off.  lol

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Re: The Nameless discussion thread
« Reply #67 on: July 13, 2012, 10:45:13 AM »
I completely forgot to put you on the list.   :blush


Alright, that settles it.  As much as I love the Dragonheart Adept, I'll play an Anchorite.  I'll have out of combat healing covered, and have buffs and then other generic caster whatnot.

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Re: The Nameless discussion thread
« Reply #68 on: July 13, 2012, 11:02:26 AM »
Any advice on the concepts I put forth above? Having trouble narrowing it down

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Re: The Nameless discussion thread
« Reply #69 on: July 13, 2012, 11:06:18 AM »
Dragonheart Adept is awesome, I want to play it from 1-20 so you should let me live vicariously through you.   :P

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Re: The Nameless discussion thread
« Reply #70 on: July 13, 2012, 11:08:42 AM »
I'd love to see Residuum in action, but it's apparently not ready yet... anything else you like works.
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Re: The Nameless discussion thread
« Reply #71 on: July 13, 2012, 11:16:32 AM »
Gah, now I can't decide between Anchorite and Elemental Adept.   :banghead

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Re: The Nameless discussion thread
« Reply #72 on: July 13, 2012, 11:35:16 AM »
Any advice on the concepts I put forth above? Having trouble narrowing it down

I would rather like to see how a choker plays out.

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Re: The Nameless discussion thread
« Reply #73 on: July 13, 2012, 11:43:00 AM »
Any advice on the concepts I put forth above? Having trouble narrowing it down
Choker 2/Dragonheart Adept 4 sounds frankly terrifying.  :lmao It will be tricky to work out the most efficient way to use his actions, but if you pull it off, you could be getting 3 standard actions per round via White Raven Tactics on yourself... Or 2 actions per round for yourself, and 2 for an ally...
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« Reply #74 on: July 13, 2012, 11:45:11 AM »
Any advice on the concepts I put forth above? Having trouble narrowing it down
Choker 2/Dragonheart Adept 4 sounds frankly terrifying.  :lmao It will be tricky to work out the most efficient way to use his actions, but if you pull it off, you could be getting 3 standard actions per round via White Raven Tactics on yourself... Or 2 actions per round for yourself, and 2 for an ally...

Someone so needs to play a factotum to get even more standard actions.  Makes me glad this isn't gestalt!

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Re: The Nameless discussion thread
« Reply #75 on: July 13, 2012, 01:17:09 PM »
I'd love to see Residuum in action, but it's apparently not ready yet... anything else you like works.

Can I just get a definitive yes/no on whether shaping formulae counts as spellcasting where the choker is concerned? I figured it is but just wanted to confirm.

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Re: The Nameless discussion thread
« Reply #76 on: July 13, 2012, 01:27:36 PM »
I'd love to see Residuum in action, but it's apparently not ready yet... anything else you like works.

Can I just get a definitive yes/no on whether shaping formulae counts as spellcasting where the choker is concerned? I figured it is but just wanted to confirm.

Osle, as the creator of said choker, would you like to weigh in on this?  The class doesn't say anything about things like invocations, maneuvers, etc. either.
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Re: The Nameless discussion thread
« Reply #77 on: July 13, 2012, 02:10:41 PM »
How's the party set for out of combat healing?

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Re: The Nameless discussion thread
« Reply #78 on: July 13, 2012, 02:20:00 PM »
I will probably have a belt but other than that nothing here. (And likley a massive HP pool)

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Re: The Nameless discussion thread
« Reply #79 on: July 13, 2012, 02:21:35 PM »
If we need out of combat healing the Achorite can prove unlimited amounts.  I'm trying to decide what I want to do.