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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #120 on: December 31, 2011, 08:03:13 PM »
@Kurashu: Try doing those fights on Professional, but in single-player.  You'll be damn glad you've got someone playing with you.

@Littha: I love Majesty 1 & 2!  It's just too bad the heroes don't know how to work as a team...
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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #121 on: December 31, 2011, 10:04:58 PM »
@Kurashu: Try doing those fights on Professional, but in single-player.  You'll be damn glad you've got someone playing with you.

@Littha: I love Majesty 1 & 2!  It's just too bad the heroes don't know how to work as a team...

They do if you build an inn and make parties.

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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #122 on: December 31, 2011, 10:46:13 PM »
Couple of Skyrim bugs:

Twice I've missed out on a Dragon Soul (it died, but even when I stood next to it I didn't get the soul).
The Thieves' Guild is bugged. It won't progress past the first quest (where you shake down three shopkeepers).
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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #123 on: January 02, 2012, 02:18:06 PM »
@Kurashu: Try doing those fights on Professional, but in single-player.  You'll be damn glad you've got someone playing with you.

Iunno, I hate to say it, but my girlfriend is pretty terrible at hitting those "Press X to avoid to being punched in the face" cues.

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« Reply #124 on: January 02, 2012, 03:59:56 PM »
More Skyrim bugs: That guy from the Companions? The one who accompanies you for the first quest and reveals the truth about the Circle?


He won't shut up! I can't go to Whiterun anymore because he won't stop following me around town and initiating conversation every 2 seconds. I can't even outrun him because he just runs after me. I'm only safe in Breezehome, but he camps outside the door and waits until I leave!
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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #125 on: January 02, 2012, 04:28:44 PM »
I forget where I saw the link, but here's a youtube vid with an amusing Skyrim bug:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTgUm8VEWiU  Skip to :30.
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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #126 on: January 03, 2012, 12:12:59 AM »
I played half an hour of Skyrim at my friend's house. Walked into the first town, killed a chicken, and incited the bloodlust of the entire town. That game can go find a nice nail to perch upon. Skip that noise.
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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #127 on: January 03, 2012, 12:18:06 AM »
I played half an hour of Skyrim at my friend's house. Walked into the first town, killed a chicken, and incited the bloodlust of the entire town. That game can go find a nice nail to perch upon. Skip that noise.

Your problem with Skyrim is that the people reacted when you killed something? DId you think you were playing GTA, or did you overlook the fact that Bethesda programs the law enforcement of it's works to be extreme LN?
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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #128 on: January 03, 2012, 12:20:57 AM »
Yeah, Skyrim isn't very buggy...
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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #129 on: January 03, 2012, 04:55:19 AM »
Discovered something I did not know about Lambda today: 236D, 214D, and j214D all have an optional command (236D+C, 214D+C, and 214D+C, respectively). While it isn't new to the Dustloop guys, I thought it was interesting enough to share here.

214D+C turns the attack into Nu's version (covers the whole screen, not just the half closest to her). 236D+C causes the attack to come from behind, dragging the enemy towards you as it hits. j214D+C turns the attack into a feint, but I have no idea if you can follow it up (as it resets Lambda's frame, but you are still midair and mid-combo).
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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #130 on: January 03, 2012, 05:08:10 AM »
Skyrim.  Oh god Skyrim.

On new years even I woke up at 7pm (I work nights, this is a little late but normal).  After eating and enjoying the changeover, I decided to have some fun, maybe play Disgaea, do some other stuff.  But since my food was cooking I may as well spend some time on the computer, make a quick little fling in Skyrim and get past whatever I left myself off at.

So I played.  Then, I looked up.
It was now Jan 2nd, 5:50 am.  Where the hell have I been?  I... I had to keep playing.  I had to kill all those elves, and fight some dwarven robots, and... and...

Oh god, its a portal, a portal somewhere which you shall not return!  Beware friends, beware!!!
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« Reply #131 on: January 03, 2012, 05:51:46 AM »
Sounds like my first run-through of Saint's Row: the Third.  Only I was killing emo hackers and luchadores instead of elves and dwarves.  And killing zombies for Burt Reynolds.  And wielding a chainsaw in a wrestling ring to defend Hulk Hogan.  And bashing the skulls of fursuiters with the Penetrator.
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« Reply #132 on: January 03, 2012, 07:11:47 AM »
Skyrim.  Oh god Skyrim.

On new years even I woke up at 7pm (I work nights, this is a little late but normal).  After eating and enjoying the changeover, I decided to have some fun, maybe play Disgaea, do some other stuff.  But since my food was cooking I may as well spend some time on the computer, make a quick little fling in Skyrim and get past whatever I left myself off at.

So I played.  Then, I looked up.
It was now Jan 2nd, 5:50 am.  Where the hell have I been?  I... I had to keep playing.  I had to kill all those elves, and fight some dwarven robots, and... and...

Oh god, its a portal, a portal somewhere which you shall not return!  Beware friends, beware!!!

Sounds like my first couple of playthroughs of Demon's Souls and Dark Souls.

Minus all the bugs and with 300% more awesome, of course.
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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #133 on: January 03, 2012, 12:22:40 PM »
I hate how people bitch so much about how Skyrim is so buggy. Take a minute and contemplate what you are complaining about. A massive game complete not only with individual NPCs, hundreds of well written short stories, thousands of quests but also a full compliment of spells, weapons and armor that you are free to arrange in any sort of combination (not to mention create your own). THEN factor into just how damn good the game looks.

So, there's some bugs. You do better.

P.S. And they did this all in under three years.

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« Reply #134 on: January 03, 2012, 01:12:13 PM »
I hate how people bitch so much about how Skyrim is so buggy. Take a minute and contemplate what you are complaining about. A massive game complete not only with individual NPCs, hundreds of well written short stories, thousands of quests but also a full compliment of spells, weapons and armor that you are free to arrange in any sort of combination (not to mention create your own). THEN factor into just how damn good the game looks.

So, there's some bugs. You do better.

P.S. And they did this all in under three years.
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« Reply #135 on: January 03, 2012, 02:44:23 PM »
I hate how people bitch so much about how Skyrim is so buggy. Take a minute and contemplate what you are complaining about. A massive game complete not only with individual NPCs, hundreds of well written short stories, thousands of quests but also a full compliment of spells, weapons and armor that you are free to arrange in any sort of combination (not to mention create your own). THEN factor into just how damn good the game looks.

So, there's some bugs. You do better.

P.S. And they did this all in under three years.
Full disclosure, I have not yet played Skyrim.  This is a general comment on bugginess in video games. 

Frankly, this is no excuse.  The size, scope, etc. of the game are irrelevant.  Those are all Bethesda's call, and if they want to make a big huge game then they are going to be judged by the overall product.  And, but for the size of the game, it probably wouldn't have sold as well. 

Bethesda games are notoriously buggy.  I think it's fair that they be judged against the industry standard for games -- and, no, not by what I, personally could do.  I don't ask Bethesda to come write law review articles or teach courses, they shouldn't ask me to program games.  Instead, they should be judged by other companies, and their games are among the buggiest.  Somehow other companies manage to put out beautiful, in-depth, and long games without the same number of technical issues (really I'm thinking of the sleeper hit the Witcher 2 here, which has its own, other, issues). 

Now, I think perfection is probably too much to ask for.  Nor do I think companies should adopt Blizzard's "maybe I'll get around to producing a new game once every millennium" model.  But, when you're famous for bugginess already it's probably a good idea to invest a lot in quality control for your biggest release and also for a game that seeks to reinvigorate an IP.  And, I think it's fair to point it out as a black mark if they don't.

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« Reply #136 on: January 03, 2012, 04:06:35 PM »
Unbeliever, you speak undeniable truth. A game that requires patches three days after launch could have used more product-testing.

I played half an hour of Skyrim at my friend's house. Walked into the first town, killed a chicken, and incited the bloodlust of the entire town. That game can go find a nice nail to perch upon. Skip that noise.

Your problem with Skyrim is that the people reacted when you killed something? DId you think you were playing GTA, or did you overlook the fact that Bethesda programs the law enforcement of it's works to be extreme LN?

No, my problem is that no one ever told me that killing one chicken would make the women, the men, the blacksmiths, the shopkeepers, the drunks in the bar, and seemingly every other creature in the entire village want me dead at all costs. How am I supposed to know that Bethesda programs every citizen to be The Punisher? I have no experience with any of their other games, so no, I did not overlook anything. Apparently I was silly for thinking that NPCs would react in kind to a minor crime (which i did not know was a crime--I killed a freaking chicken wandering the street!).

Also, they are Lawful Evil; no one punishes a minor crime with death if they are neutral.
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« Reply #137 on: January 03, 2012, 05:14:38 PM »
I hate how people bitch so much about how Skyrim is so buggy. Take a minute and contemplate what you are complaining about. A massive game complete not only with individual NPCs, hundreds of well written short stories, thousands of quests but also a full compliment of spells, weapons and armor that you are free to arrange in any sort of combination (not to mention create your own). THEN factor into just how damn good the game looks.

So, there's some bugs. You do better.

P.S. And they did this all in under three years.

So?  Let's compare it to SW:TOR then.  Change spells to skills and force powers, and remove creating your own gear, but add in MMO interaction, and you've got a game that is at least comparable in every category you mentioned.  Sure, Bioware spent more than three years making it, but that's what a triple-A game company SHOULD do.  Like Valve, Bioware polished its game to a mirror shine before releasing it, and made a game worthy of accolades.  Not Bethesda's buggier-than-an-antfarm release.

Hell, indie games released last year should be rated higher and given more accolades and awards.  Sure, their work isn't as amazing graphically, or as huge, but they did it with probably ~2% of the crew, less than 1% of the financial backing, and in the range of a few months to about a year working on it.  And their games cost ~10% of what Skyrim costs.  I can think of three indie games that were released last year (The Binding of Isaac, Terraria, Dungeons of Dredmor) that have each so far gotten 50 - 100 hours of playtime from me.  For under $10 each.  Skyrim doesn't even compare.
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« Reply #138 on: January 03, 2012, 07:07:29 PM »
I hate how people bitch so much about how Skyrim is so buggy. Take a minute and contemplate what you are complaining about. A massive game complete not only with individual NPCs, hundreds of well written short stories, thousands of quests but also a full compliment of spells, weapons and armor that you are free to arrange in any sort of combination (not to mention create your own). THEN factor into just how damn good the game looks.

So, there's some bugs. You do better.

P.S. And they did this all in under three years.

Dark Souls was produced in under two years. It's an open-world game that may not be as huge as Skyrim BUT has no endless expanses of nothingness either. Each NPC has their individual story, and though the lore of the game isn't openly disclosed throughout the game's story itself, it is definitely there if you look for it. The gameplay is superb, the game just plain looks awesome, the soundtrack is majestic, and any bugs the game DID have got squashed in a period of six months after the game's release (three months for the English version, as it was mostly translation). It is addictive and with lots of replay value - there's just way too much to do.

Skyrim, on the other hand, uses the exact same engine Bethesda has been using since Oblivion and Fallout. Which were both buggy games on their own right, that they actually knew about it, and only the PC community gets to fully enjoy thanks to mods and THE COMMUNITY FIXING THE BUGS BY ITSELF (the PS3 and Xbox versions are not worth writing home about).  Yet this game somehow gets more attention. The bugs are just one of the teensy tiny aspects that irks me about how popular Skyrim seems to be. One game netted no less than three separate awards to Bethesda this year while Dark Souls remains in limbo despite being a significantly better game.

Count yourself lucky the bugs are the only thing I'm talking about.
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« Reply #139 on: January 03, 2012, 11:57:12 PM »
"Frankly, this is no excuse.  The size, scope, etc. of the game are irrelevant.  Those are all Bethesda's call, and if they want to make a big huge game then they are going to be judged by the overall product.  And, but for the size of the game, it probably wouldn't have sold as well"

So, despite the fact that the game is massive and you can do almost whatever you want in it, that's irrelevant but you want to judge the game as a whole? You can't eat your cake and have it, too.

To use a comparison, you are saying the equivalent of denouncing Ulcerate's Everything is Fire because Drown Within has one of the worst transitions I've ever heard, never mind the fact that it is one the most ambitious and exciting death metal releases in the last decade (also, that it's really fucking good, too).

If you want the mods, buy the PC version. And, frankly, the only bug I've encountered was one where a plot NPC disappeared into a floor, but a simple reload fixed that. If you are willing to throw down your controller and cry foul over that, then don't play the game.

Skyrim uses the same engine as Bethesda's other games? Why isn't Valve held to same standard, they've used Source in every game they've made with minor alterations. I bet at it's core, Dark Souls and Demon Souls are powered by the same thing.

Dark Souls a superior game? Maybe, I've held off playing Skyrim because of it, but let's face it, Dark Souls isn't accessible. Full stop. Either you're a hardcore gamer and up the challenge or you aren't. It's like death metal, you get it or you don't. There's not much in-between. But Skyrim is accessible. Too hard? Turn the difficulty down. Too easy? Turn it up. And unlike Skyrim, success in Dark Souls is 90% equipment and 10% knowing when to roll or block. Yes, Skyrim grinding Smithing/block/blahblahblah, but raise your hand if you didn't grind for souls once to raise a single stat a little bit in DS. No one? I thought so.

[EDIT] As for bugs in Dark Souls, the Invade/Summon PC multiplayer aspect of it has never worked for me except once when I got a person who was even less prepared for Smough/Ornstein than I. One summon out of more than a hundred I've tried. And every time I've tried to invade another player's world? Nothing. Nothing at all, and that's with using the various invade items except for the Darkwraith one. That's not a minor problem, that's a core aspect of the game broken out of the box.[/EDIT]

Industry awards? Pffft. I could care less what game got Game of the Year or Best Graphics or Best Hidden Sex Scene. I don't take the Grammys, the Oscars, the Tonys or the Emmys seriously, why would I take gaming industry awards seriously.
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