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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #720 on: April 28, 2013, 01:39:44 PM »
Not sure about the newer Monster Hunters, but i played the PS2 one, and... It's endless grinding. ENDLESS. GRINDING. The battles are insanely fun, but you have to kill SO MANY MONSTERS in order to get the materials for your next weapon that it's not even funny...
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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #721 on: April 28, 2013, 04:41:20 PM »
Nothing on Bioshock Infinite yet? I'm shocked.

It kinda of sucks. Also, Spoiler alert.
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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #722 on: April 28, 2013, 05:08:18 PM »
I for one enjoyed the game, and its story - something I noticed you didn't bitch about much this time.

I didn't see Elizabeth as an NPC to escort - I figured she was kinda like Navi without the annoying voice. She's a plot device and a game mechanic.

Is railroading bad? Perhaps. But the extreme opposite is just as bad - ten kilometers of absolute fucking nothing between each point of interest, seven hundred sidequests that let you nickel and dime at the game's difficulty until you've done SO MANY OF THEM there's no challenge anymore. Or worse still, having this silly overpowered trinket that's only at this very specific point in the game that you access once and then it's gone forever while the story tells you to press on, and that either destroys game balance for you or you get raped without.

And seriously, you're playing FPSs for their story? You should know better by now. Bioshock's is at least interesting, it's only the immersion that fails to bring you in much - which the first-person perspective is supposed to help with but instead it just annoys the fucking hell out of me.

As for scores, when was the last time you saw something that wasn't overhyped to hell and back?
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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #723 on: April 28, 2013, 05:43:50 PM »
It might just be my habit of playing shorter story-based games all in one sitting, but I found it engaging and entertaining. Was it full of plot holes? Sure, but I didn't care until the next day when fridge logic kicked in. Was it a linear FPS? Sure, but I didn't care because it was a reasonably engaging gameplay sequence leading to the tidbit of story.

It was full of flaws, but they didn't stop me from enjoying the game while I was playing it. Only in hindsight did they make me wtf.

What it DID do well was pacing. This one got the pacing just right for me.

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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #724 on: April 28, 2013, 05:47:14 PM »
Is railroading bad? Perhaps. But the extreme opposite is just as bad - ten kilometers of absolute fucking nothing between each point of interest, seven hundred sidequests that let you nickel and dime at the game's difficulty until you've done SO MANY OF THEM there's no challenge anymore. Or worse still, having this silly overpowered trinket that's only at this very specific point in the game that you access once and then it's gone forever while the story tells you to press on, and that either destroys game balance for you or you get raped without.

In my opinion the game that better handles sidequests I ever played would be Zelda:Majora's Mask. There's a lot of them, the rewards you get are fun and interesting whitout actually increasing your raw power too much, and when you finish the game, you get extra cutscenes showing how all the sidequest people you helped now are having better lives. That's something that really touched me. They weren't part of the scenery, they were characters with their own stories and problems, and you taking time to help them did make a diference for them.
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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #725 on: May 20, 2013, 07:41:56 PM »
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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #726 on: May 20, 2013, 10:48:18 PM »
I knew it already.

Why does Ky look like more of a girl now, and why have the Fireseal and Thunderseal changed form?
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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #727 on: May 20, 2013, 11:04:23 PM »
Picked up Sanctum 2 a few days ago.  Great game!  It's a hybrid of tower defense and FPS.  And the creatures will attack you if you're nearby, which means most of the time, you'll be backing away to stay safe, but if they start getting away from your towers, you can close in so they'll target you, delaying their progress toward the core.  And gotta like the sci-fi guns that reload on their own, so you can just swap weapons and keep attacking.

Also, the speedy and plumber's shoes perks have gotta be right up some peoples' alleys, as I can see them used to ninja run through the hordes, jumping and bouncing off of them to stomp them all ...
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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #728 on: May 20, 2013, 11:19:04 PM »
I knew it already.

Why does Ky look like more of a girl now, and why have the Fireseal and Thunderseal changed form?

Ky looking like a girl I can't explain, but as to the new weapon designs, they changed in Overture. We never saw the Thunderseal, but the Fireseal had a total overhaul.
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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #729 on: May 25, 2013, 05:28:18 PM »
Picked up Dishonored yesterday. *scratches chin*

So far in a love/hate relationship with it (alcohol fire breathing rape? srsly!?). It's no Batman when it comes to stealth, like ways to murder while hidden or screwing up stealth doesn't lead to the fun part of beating people's faces in, but I hope the Fus Ro Duh lives up to expectations. Seems like an ok first game, now they need to sandbox it, give more powers, and not penalize you for missing a certain action four hours ago.

Also pretty sure I'm going to get the bad ending. *shrugs*

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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #730 on: May 26, 2013, 05:50:57 PM »
Three years playing alpha gaiden.

Three years slowly crawling trough a single run, striving to get all the skill points and as many secrets as possible while trying to overcome the clunky interface.

Three years of handling increasing crap from the game forcing me to use trash units and bosses playing by their own rules.

Three years to reach the Ex stage. The enemy is pulling boss-like units out of his ass on top on top of the regular cheating. I have unlocked the giant lasers. I've got the zantakou, demon king and shiny hobo. Let us finish this once and for all!

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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #731 on: May 29, 2013, 06:10:13 PM »
Neverwinter did well in the action aspect of the game, unfortunately did horrible for many parts of the actual system.
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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #732 on: June 14, 2013, 12:47:21 PM »
Some interesting bits from E3:
-Nintendo playing it extra safe. The big guns (Baoyneta 2, Zelda U, project X) being pushed to 2014.
-Xbox 1 demands daily net connections, is recording everything you say in the house, as much DRM as they can possibly cram in, declaring total war on used games, and the highest console price tag since the PS3.
-PS4 promoting itself as "We're not Xbox1".

Also a microsoft engineer claims all those negatives are so they can make cheaper games, yet said games look like they'll cost as much as before if not more.

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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #733 on: June 14, 2013, 01:16:53 PM »
My opinion: Consoles are getting too expensive for what they offer. For the price of owning both consoles, i can buy a very good PC that'll last me much longer, and still get to play most of the games both consoles offer. Of course i'm not GOING to, because i like videogames too much to not buy them even at these inflated prices.

And that's part of the problem. The problem is, despite knowing the price is overinflated, despite knowing the PC is still a better gaming platform than consoles, we still buy the expensive consoles. And so, they keep getting more and more expensive. The worst part? Consoles could be so much more.

With a good OS, maybe even a x64 Linux-based solution (Dream on...), consoles could offer a complete and immersive media experience, and actually become a real threat to computers. Because, i mean, if consoles had good enough OS's with an open enough architecture for developers to make programs on, like android phones do for instance, everything normal people do on a daily basis on the computer could be done on the consoles. And i mean, if you could do everything but work on the console, why would you even need a computer? As a bonus, if they made consoles attractive enough to NON GAMERS, they would up their sales EVEN MORE. I mean, nowadays soccer moms don't buy more videogames for their teens because they feel it is a "gaming thingy". Well, make the console attractive enough to the soccer mom, and you get $$. I don't get why they keep trying to make it happen, but don't take the full plunge, and it ends up half assed. FFS. Gets me mad everytime.

Gotta hope for the Steam box. With a little bit of luck, it won't be a complete and total flop, and with a LOT of luck, it will actually stir things up enough so that the next generation of consoles is truly revolutionary. Because there's absolutely nothing short of better hardware being offered here right now. That's the ugly truth of it.
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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #734 on: June 14, 2013, 02:45:55 PM »
I believe you're being somewhat self-contradictory there. You claim you want consoles to be cheaper, and then that consoles should focus on non-gaming stuff.

That's what crippled the Vita (and the PS3 as well until it got massive price drops). Sony insisted on including a bunch of non-gaming extras like blue-ray players and whatnot. Which resulted in a piece of hardware much more expensive than the competition, whitout actually having anything better on the game department.

If anything, I would say consoles should steer away from non-gaming media like the plague. Most people already have TVs, phones, dvd players and whatnot. They don't really want to pay extra for their console to do something that they can already do.

To be honest, the big catch of consoles used to be that they were something in which you could plug in a game and start playing right away. Whereas in a computer you had to go trough a lenghty instal process that not always went ok.

Alas, over the years, consoles suddenly started geting instal bureaucracy, while computers started geting easier to instal games. This is wrong.  Consoles should be for gaming. If I want to surf the net or whatnot, I boot up my computer.

That's why I'm still stickying to Nintendo. Even if they're releasing games slowly, at least they still aren't making me pay to play them online, or charging me extra for non-gaming extras I could already do with my other devices.

TL/DR: Consoles trying to directly compete with computers, or any other electronic device, is a massive mistake.

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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #735 on: June 14, 2013, 03:23:25 PM »
Nope. Not being contradictory at all. The hardware consoles already had back when the PS2 was launched already are more than enough for most of today's day to day web browsing, youtube videos, dvd's, flash games, twitter/facebook/what's app/tumblr/whatever flavor of the month.

Nothing - absolutely nothing - would need to be changed, except the OS. Which could be made CHEAPER if it was a fork of an open source solution, like, you know, Linux. The point here is the focus. Consoles don't even have cutting edge hardware. They would be prohibitively expensive if they had it. I mean, $1000 for a GTX690. That's double the price of the PS4 and that's just the videocard for a top PC gaming rig today. I'm not saying they should put more expensive gear in it.

I'm saying the focus of the platform shouldn't be *just* gaming. First of all, why are consoles locked down? Why can't i dual boot Linux on my PS3 without hacking it to hell and back? Consoles give us good hardware, comparable to that of a mid-tier PC system, and we can't use it to it's full capabilities. Granted, being locked down, means they have complete control over what (official)apps are developed and being installed in the system, but that also limits it's appeal.

Why is Android much more popular than iOS with the more technologically inclined people? It gives you much more control over the system, over what parts of the system you can modify. It also gives developers much more freedom to develop apps for it, to modify the system. Hell, there are already many, many modified Android kernels being distributed that you can boot on your phone and unlock it's full potential.

But that's still not the point. They can still lockdown their consoles, prevent people from dual booting Linux or Windows on it and using it like a PC. But why not fully UTILIZE that hardware for stuff that's not only gaming? We get half-assed implementations of these ideas, half-assed OS's that only accept proprietary formats, official apps, with slow unoptimized web browsers that don't work properly on half the WWW, when we could have a machine that could have two OS's running in parallel, one optimized to hell and back JUST for gaming, like we normally would have, and another boot option with SonyOS or Windows 7. Beats ME why Microsoft doesn't develop a "Lite" version of Windows 7 and boots it into Xbox One so you can use it like a PC as WELL as an Xbox! Hell, why not develop a Dev Kit for Xbox/PS4 so that independent developers can develop their own games for the platform? MANY more people would buy the console if it offered more than just games, and it wouldn't be any more expensive to make it able to do these things.

Nothing about the hardware would need to be changed. Absolutely nothing. DVD + HDMI ports are already there, there are already some USB ports. In short, what i'm saying is: give us the full product. The hardware is there, now just give us a nice software to USE it.
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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #736 on: June 14, 2013, 03:53:06 PM »
I own, and am pretty happy with my PS3.  But, it's there for a few exclusives, and as a blueray player and NetFlix delivery system.  The more I hear about Microsoft's new console, the less and less I like.  Since I like the PS3 as a fairly easy to use home entertainment device -- seriously, it's worlds easier to use than my mom's Apple tv if you can believe that -- I can't complain too much about consoles branching out to other entertainment directions.  Or, at least those that are well-suited to your couch and your tv. 

That being said, I cannot imagine a console really competing with my computer nowadays.  I think it's a combination of things like Steam and market forces that make the PC so ascendant to me.  As Oscelamo noted, consoles already require you nowadays to have a good internet connection, patch the game, etc.  At that point, they have little convenience advantage over something like Steam.  And, the costs of PC games, if you're crazily behind the times like I am, becomes very attractive.  I pick up great games from 6 months or a year ago for about $20 routinely. 

At that point, then, what advantage does a console really have?  The only one could be convenience:  installing PC games, tweaking your system, and just PC maintenance can be too much for a lot of people.  The console cuts through all of that.  That's the market really left for them.  Given that, then, the idea that a console needs to be hackable or customizable seems completely off-base.  Anyone who wanted to do all that would have just bought or built themselves a midrange PC in the first place. 

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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #737 on: June 14, 2013, 04:07:31 PM »
Nope. Not being contradictory at all.
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Beats ME why Microsoft doesn't develop a "Lite" version of Windows 7 and boots it into Xbox One so you can use it like a PC as WELL as an Xbox! Hell, why not develop a Dev Kit for Xbox/PS4 so that independent developers can develop their own games for the platform? MANY more people would buy the console if it offered more than just games, and it wouldn't be any more expensive to make it able to do these things.
See, that's the part where you're being contradictory. Developing a "Lite" OS/Dev Kit is expensive.

It's actually expensive enough that Bill Gates became a zillionaire out of selling relatively cheaper OS than the competition.


At that point, then, what advantage does a console really have?  The only one could be convenience:  installing PC games, tweaking your system, and just PC maintenance can be too much for a lot of people.  The console cuts through all of that.  That's the market really left for them.  Given that, then, the idea that a console needs to be hackable or customizable seems completely off-base.  Anyone who wanted to do all that would have just bought or built themselves a midrange PC in the first place. 

Indeed. Not to mention the part where if people buy the PS3 for the processing power and don't bother buying the games, then Sony is directly losing money out of the deal, since they sold you the console at a loss expecting they would make it back with games.

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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #738 on: June 14, 2013, 04:37:24 PM »
It's not expensive when you do it based off of a free solution, like Linux, to build a great OS. But i digress.

@Unbeliever computers, despite being fantastic machines, are also very expensive ones, if you want to play at the graphic level of consoles. You're hard pressed if you want to build a PC for $599 and still be able to play the latest games at medium quality, 1920x1080, and 30fps, which is what the consoles are actually selling to us right now. But we still gladly pay that little bit more, because we can do so much more on our computers than just gaming. And that's what i want for the console. The PC, if you want to game at a level higher than the consoles, gets even more expensive... To play at max resolution, max quality, and still get 60+ fps to use VSync, you're talking about at least $1200. That's double the pricetag on the XBox One. And games for the computer aren't really THAT much cheaper than console games.

You talked about steam. I have hopes that Gabe Newell will follow through and release the Steam Box. And i do hope it won't be a complete flop. And what the Steam Box is looking to be, is basically an optimized gaming platform running a modified Linux Kernel, that will still be able to do most of what a PC can do. Shockingly enough, it's very similar to what i was describing throughout my rant. ( http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/valve-steam-box-release-date-news-and-features-1127072 )

But i'm not naive. Consoles make too much money, much more money than PC games, and there will be much lobbying in order to stop something like that taking off, and i don't trust Valve to NOT drop the ball on this one. But i seriously hope that, if the PC is going to die, and it IS going to die, we need a suitable replacement. PC's are losing the race against ultrabooks and tablets, and the components are getting more and more expensive... Something like the Steam Box, if the gaming industry accepts it, is a godsend, but i'm betting it won't accept it, and it will be a flop. I still hope, but i can't hope too much...
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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #739 on: June 14, 2013, 05:07:39 PM »
I just have to say that Laptops/Ultrabooks are PCs since a PC is not specifically a desktop.