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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #740 on: June 14, 2013, 05:23:14 PM »
I'm not going to dispute with you on the price tag for a computer.  I built mine for about $1000 some years ago and I have only upgraded it here or there.  It is, however, a fantastically more useful machine than my beloved PS3.  I need a computer of some sort, though of course I wouldn't need one with SLI graphics cards, etc. except for gaming.

Also, I'm not tech savvy (or willing to do the research) on this, but my aged machine runs all the games I currently own on high quality settings.  Much higher settings than the Xbox 360 or the PS3.  So, aren't you comparing a machine that doesn't even exist yet to (e.g., Xbox One) to one that does?  And, games that don't exist yet (ditto) to those that do?  At any rate, it's fairly easy to upgrade a PC.  There are no upgrade options for consoles.  I don't really think those are necessarily important points of comparison, but if you're talking about "keeping up with the times" power wise, it is conventional wisdom that consoles are doomed to failure. 

The games, though, there is a massive difference in costs.  Console game prices just don't come down that much.  Walk into Gamestop and last year's games are still in the $40 range.  Wait for a sale on Steam or Origin (those are the ones I know, I imagine there are comparable platforms), and you can pick up excellent games for $15-20.  And, you do so with incredible ease. 

And, what evidence do we have that PCs are dying?  Every business and every gamer I know owns one.  I think there's a migration away from desktops for "casual" users, but since we're talking about people who play games, that's not the market.  I haven't seen any hew and cry on the NYT or anything about it.  And, query to what extent it would matter:  people are always going to be buying personal computers and nearly all games are cross platform now.
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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #741 on: June 14, 2013, 06:21:06 PM »
Computers can be upgradeable. That's often cited as an advantage PC's have over consoles. But it's not really an advantage. I mean, the Xbox 360 launched in '06, we're in '13 now, that's 7 years, without the hardware changing. If you spent $399 on your Xbox back in '06 and it never RROD on you, then you're still playing latest games at top quality. There is no computer you can build right now that for that price tag can last you 7 years. The thing with consoles is that games are built around the platform, optimized for the hardware and software, and then ported over to PC. Most games are built like that, and so when they finally get ported over to PC we get HORRIBLE efficiency compared to the console, which basically is why consoles manage so much better graphics with comparably worse hardware. And as time passes, dev's get more familiar with the platform and get better at optimization, and hence can squeeze out a little bit more performance out of the console, resulting in games with acceptable graphics even if the console is 7 years old.

Computers can do that? Sure, if you build a $3000 computer, it's probably going to last you 7 years. But build a $1000 machine, which is a very good range for a powerful gaming rig, and see if it can run latest games for 7 years. It won't. For the first 2 years, you'll be running everything on max or near max. Then, the years start to show, and you're now forced to not use the highest settings graphical goodies, like PhysX or HDR and Full Particles. After 3 years, you have to start tweaking graphics down some more in order to still play with highest texture settings. After 4 years, you probably can't run the latest games in high texture settings, even when turning down every option in the book. After 5 years, even medium everything starts to impact performance somewhat.

That has been my experience, with the computers i had over the years, which had all been on about this price range. After 5 years, they became mostly incapable of keeping up. And i STILL spent more on them than i had spent on consoles. Now, i could've upgraded, sure, put a  new graphis card and all is well. But a new graphics card, a good one, isn't less than 300$. And to keep up with "always highest" settings, upgrading is not always the best option.



About the death of the PC... The statistics show that PC sales have been dropping. Steadily. Tablet sales are increasing, Smartphone sales are increasing, and Ultrabook sales are increasing, but Desktops? Steadily DECREASING.

Intel announced a major change in their business model. It also did so in response to rage from it's shareholders because the company has been experiencing shrinking profits... After Haswell, their next line, Broadwell, will be soldered onto motherboards. Sure, it's rumors at this point, but there's very good reason to believe that. AMD also has been heading into a very different direction with it's Trinity line of processors.

Bottom line is: the desktop is going to be replaced relatively soon. The days of the Workstation are nearly over...
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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #742 on: June 16, 2013, 09:39:24 AM »
New console gen looks terrible. First off there was the problem with Microsoft & Sony not wanting to release their specs so the other company could purposely spec them selves higher. Because yeah, +.1ghz over competitors is what gets me to buy a console.

Nintendo is still doing their cheap-ass remake 3rd-party hating strange-controller thing and the Wii U is pretty much the Wii+HD meets the NDS. But their marketing campaign "it's a family console" will probably continue to out sell their competitors. And you know the saddest part? This remake/recycle corporation is leading the other two. As in Nintendo sells more, releases sooner, and attempts the most gimmicky innovations (3 handed controllers, more buttons that you'd ever need, wave two sticks at the screen you asshole, portable TVs) other they other two bitch about how to fail harder with higher "specs".

Then you've got Microsoft, their sell campaign is "fuck you". This landmonster of a machine is the ultimate spynet that runs it's video & audio capture 24/7 and connects daily to the Internet to upload the gathered data. And it you don't let it, it locks is self into paperweight mode. Did I mention the ten bucks you save at Gamestop buying NEW-BIG-TITLE is vanishing? Microsoft wants you to pay them to use burrowed or pre-owned games. Worst part? Lot's of talk about having to pay Microsoft for used games, zero talk about paying the developers for used games.

Lastly, but still above Microsoft, is Sony. It seems they tossed in the towel. Nintendo can have it's families and casual gamers, Sony wants the hardcore college students failing classes to play video games. So instead of trying to be like the Wii with it's stupid Move shit they are focused entirely on the easy-target X-Box. Worst part? Like it's some sort of presidential election their sell slogan is "at least we're not microsoft". wtf is that really? We're not recording you in the shower, so clearly we're awesome? F*cking terrible.

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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #743 on: June 16, 2013, 11:23:40 AM »
Man, don't get me started on console wars. I think the ability to update games remotely has made companies LAZY. Consider: the PS2 gave Sony one of its most profitable gen runs. No DLCs. No patches. If you wanted to update a game, you had to release a second game, which people wouldn't buy because FUCK YOU, WE GAVE YOU MONEY ONCE ALREADY. (They were kinda targetting the late buyer types, but whatever.) If you wanted shit in a game, you had to cram it all BEFORE LAUNCH. You had to make sure every game was ready and complete before you shoved it out the door.

You know what the strategy is now? Create hype, let the rest sort itself out.
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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #744 on: June 16, 2013, 11:54:10 AM »
Last I heard, PS4 will be region-free, which actually is a progressive step and the reverse of even Nintendo's heading.  So that's good.

I will probably get a Wii U first, despite my hatred of the stupid screen-controller gimmick.  Just because it will have "X", Bayonetta 2, maybe a Smash Bros. game more like Melee and less like Brawl (not holding my breath, though), maybe a new Zelda that's not a s**t-storm of motion controls and pain and suffering (also not too confident on that), maybe Samurai Warriors 4 (since 3 was on Wii)...
I don't know, I'm going to wait at least till Black Friday if not longer and see.  See how those "maybe" things pan out.  Already learned that the new Wind Waker won't include the cut dungeons, so that's off my list.  How much I want the Wii U will be based on the games library, which has a lot of potential to suck or rock.

PS4 I'll also be getting, though not for at least 2 years....  I don't even think they have any launch games I want anyway, I'm just assuming they'll get a bunch I want over time, since... my PS 1-2-3 library *dwarfs* the entire rest of my video game library significantly.

Xbox 1...heh heh heh...  I'm so glad I won't feel at all compelled to shell out for 3 consoles this generation, makes things a lot easier.  Very sad MS bought Rare, though.  No Killer Instinct for me.   :(

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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #745 on: June 16, 2013, 12:55:29 PM »
Man, don't get me started on console wars. I think the ability to update games remotely has made companies LAZY. Consider: the PS2 gave Sony one of its most profitable gen runs. No DLCs. No patches. If you wanted to update a game, you had to release a second game, which people wouldn't buy because FUCK YOU, WE GAVE YOU MONEY ONCE ALREADY. (They were kinda targetting the late buyer types, but whatever.) If you wanted shit in a game, you had to cram it all BEFORE LAUNCH. You had to make sure every game was ready and complete before you shoved it out the door.

You know what the strategy is now? Create hype, let the rest sort itself out.
+1 to all of that.

Slightly off-topic, but one of the reasons why D&D 4e failed. They made a lot of hype, released an half-assed product, and then tried to patch it up with hundreds of tiny errata releases and D&D insider. Tried being the key word. Turns out most people don't want to pay a subscription for their tabletop game, or to have to carry an encyclopedia worth of paper errata for their rules books.

It's not expensive when you do it based off of a free solution, like Linux, to build a great OS. But i digress.

Microsoft produces Xbox... In what twisted  alternate reality would Microsoft use Linux (or Android) for their products? :psyduck

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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #746 on: June 16, 2013, 03:24:25 PM »
On a side note, this fantastical idea that people seem to have, that not having physical media is instantly paradise... Well, it's really not.

Consider this.

I own a PSVita. No hacks out for it. I also live in a country that does NOT produce games locally, so if I want a game, I must import it.

The PSVita has this thing where the console is linked to a PSN account. It can only, EVER, be linked to one account at a time. You wanna link it to a different account? You have to restore the system. Now, physical media games aren't region-locked, but their DLC is.

I imported Soul Sacrifice off shopto.net - being based on Britain, I got the EU version. I began to play it in a memory card that was associated with an US account. I got pretty far into it until I learned that there was free DLC for the game. Cue nightmare: I can't get the DLC for my version because I can't log into the EU store with my US account. I tried to download it on my PS3 and transfer it to my PSVita, but "the content belongs to another player". Which is ME.

So I can't even get FREE content for the stuff I PAID for. Think on what that means for a second.
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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #747 on: June 17, 2013, 06:31:34 PM »
I plan to get the xbox one because of the exclusive games on it that I enjoy Halo, the next Fable and some others. I have my computer for a few select games. I don't plan to buy a PS4 simply because it doesn't have any exclusives that appear interesting to me. I'm not a fan boy of any system and I don't decry other systems. I have no interest in the WII u due to a number of reasons, but I do find it troubling that some of the major third party publishers are saying no games for it.

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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #748 on: June 17, 2013, 07:52:29 PM »
Given my lack of money at the moment along with likely medical bills once I do get a job, I don't see myself getting any of the new consoles.  I'd definitely get a new computer first (without Win8 if I can help it, even if I have to buy Win7 on its own), and that'll play plenty of the games.  If anything I'd get myself a PS3 for some of the games there as well as a Blu-Ray player.

I expect the first thing people will try to do with the XB1 is crack it to not require the Kinect or crack the need for checking in every day.

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« Reply #749 on: June 17, 2013, 08:27:56 PM »
Or just plain crack it, period.

Interesting details about that, by the by...

Wii: Hardware crack. Nintendo blocks it on the software side. Eventually people get around that. Nintendo doesn't really give a fuck.
Xbox: Hardware crack. Microsoft tries to block it with both firmware and hardware updates on subsequent models. Again, people get around it eventually (though the best cracks still don't allow online play).
PS3: Software crack via dongle leak. Blocked by firmware. Structure gets further decrypted. Firmware block, again. New games get played because of leaked debug eboots and dongle. Encryption and structure get bypassed further based on reverse-engineering of the dongle that made those debug eboots playing possible in the first place. Currently, it is possible to play all the latest games, FOR FREE, and online (if you take certain precautions and don't cheat).

The Wii has been a top seller because of the controller gimmick allowing it to sell to pretty much everyone and everything under the sun as a fitness machine. Microsoft just went "eh" about the piracy eventually - the big sell for the Xbox has always been multiplayer-based games. Meanwhile, Sony still hasn't apprehended those fuckers responsible for the PSN invasion a year back.

Seriously, if they put a tenth of the energy they do into making better games rather than avoiding the "woes" of piracy and used game reselling, then maybe Sony and Microsoft might be coming ahead on this latest gen war.

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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #750 on: June 19, 2013, 05:51:18 PM »
Microsoft has renounced the DRM policies on the Xbox One. The only requirement is that you are online during the initial instal, and even that may not be required.


The people won, and Microsoft is now back in the running in the console war.
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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #751 on: June 19, 2013, 06:34:27 PM »
Microsoft has renounced the DRM policies on the Xbox One. The only requirement is that you are online during the initial instal, and even that may not be required.


The people won, and Microsoft is now back in the running in the console war.

I hoped this would happen, but never actually believed it would. 
Still probably gonna end up buying a PS4. 
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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #752 on: June 19, 2013, 06:34:36 PM »
It looks like Microsoft  :)

(puts on sunglasses)

Dealt with it. :cool

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Altough I somewhat despise the term "console war". You don't have to pick a side and can own multiple systems.
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« Reply #753 on: June 19, 2013, 06:37:23 PM »
Ooh ooh I got another one!

Looks like Microsoft... did an Xbox One-Eighty
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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #754 on: June 19, 2013, 06:41:54 PM »
Microsoft has renounced the DRM policies on the Xbox One. The only requirement is that you are online during the initial instal, and even that may not be required.


The people won, and Microsoft is now back in the running in the console war.

I hoped this would happen, but never actually believed it would. 
Still probably gonna end up buying a PS4.

Same, though I get the feeling that people might not be so forgiving (especially as the PS3 is slated to be significantly cheaper)

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« Reply #755 on: June 19, 2013, 06:55:20 PM »
well, here's an article discussing it http://kotaku.com/microsoft-is-removing-xbox-one-drm-514390310?utm_campaign=Socialflow_Kotaku_Facebook&utm_source=Kotaku_Facebook&utm_medium=Socialflow


and the key part incase you're too lazy

Quote from: Microsoft president of interactive entertainment Don Mattrick
Last week at E3, the excitement, creativity and future of our industry was on display for a global audience.

For us, the future comes in the form of Xbox One, a system designed to be the best place to play games this year and for many years to come. As is our heritage with Xbox, we designed a system that could take full advantage of advances in technology in order to deliver a breakthrough in game play and entertainment. We imagined a new set of benefits such as easier roaming, family sharing, and new ways to try and buy games. We believe in the benefits of a connected, digital future.

Since unveiling our plans for Xbox One, my team and I have heard directly from many of you, read your comments and listened to your feedback. I would like to take the opportunity today to thank you for your assistance in helping us to reshape the future of Xbox One.

You told us how much you loved the flexibility you have today with games delivered on disc. The ability to lend, share, and resell these games at your discretion is of incredible importance to you. Also important to you is the freedom to play offline, for any length of time, anywhere in the world.

So, today I am announcing the following changes to Xbox One and how you can play, share, lend, and resell your games exactly as you do today on Xbox 360. Here is what that means:

An internet connection will not be required to play offline Xbox One games – After a one-time system set-up with a new Xbox One, you can play any disc based game without ever connecting online again. There is no 24 hour connection requirement and you can take your Xbox One anywhere you want and play your games, just like on Xbox 360.

Trade-in, lend, resell, gift, and rent disc based games just like you do today – There will be no limitations to using and sharing games, it will work just as it does today on Xbox 360.

In addition to buying a disc from a retailer, you can also download games from Xbox Live on day of release. If you choose to download your games, you will be able to play them offline just like you do today. Xbox One games will be playable on any Xbox One console — there will be no regional restrictions.

These changes will impact some of the scenarios we previously announced for Xbox One. The sharing of games will work as it does today, you will simply share the disc. Downloaded titles cannot be shared or resold. Also, similar to today, playing disc based games will require that the disc be in the tray.

We appreciate your passion, support and willingness to challenge the assumptions of digital licensing and connectivity. While we believe that the majority of people will play games online and access the cloud for both games and entertainment, we will give consumers the choice of both physical and digital content. We have listened and we have heard loud and clear from your feedback that you want the best of both worlds.

Thank you again for your candid feedback. Our team remains committed to listening, taking feedback and delivering a great product for you later this year.

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« Reply #756 on: June 19, 2013, 07:39:13 PM »
Ooh ooh I got another one!

Looks like Microsoft... did an Xbox One-Eighty
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Had to thumb this up.  Mostly because of all those damn morons asking "Why is it called a 360? You jump up around 360 and walk away" or some shit like that.

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« Reply #757 on: June 19, 2013, 09:12:53 PM »
I just realized that the title of this thread is misspelled...

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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #758 on: June 19, 2013, 11:27:12 PM »
I just realized that the title of this thread is misspelled...

How did i miss that for so long? o.O
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« Reply #759 on: June 20, 2013, 12:38:31 AM »
I noticed it the first time I posted here, I just never commented on it.  :p
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