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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #420 on: June 27, 2012, 07:29:42 PM »
You want a really well-done game that was uncontroversial?  Half-Life.  Before it came along, all FPSes were mindless shooters with the barest modicum of story to act as the "reason" for killing everything in sight.  (ignoring that most modern FPS games are trying to go back to that...)  Half-Life injected a game world that felt alive, and was rife with story and plot, even if to get much of it you actually had to listen to the people around you...  And it gave you allies, two enemy factions that were also at war with each other, and actual reasons to go where you ended up going.  Only once you get to Xen does it feel like the game's quality takes a dive, and that's due to suddenly limiting you to basically everything that you'd find in other FPSes: a path to follow, everything is always your enemy, no plot growth or advancement...
I see your Half-Life and rise you a N64 Goldeneye that came 1 year before. You couldn't just barge in shooting everywhere, there were often hostages, civilians, valuable cientists and key equipment that could easily be destroyed by a stray bullet. You had to ask questions first and shoot later. You had to get creactive with your limited equipment to get out of tight spots. Several levels had open areas to explore, with the objectives put in random positions so you couldn't just memorize them. The only case I rememember where you pick an half-assed movie and get out a legendary game.

There were also no miracle medic packs or super regeneration, so if you ate a bullet, you had to deal with it for the rest of the level. There were valuable body armors here and there, but they could also be destroyed by stray fire.

Also higher difficulty didn't meant just stronger enemies, it also meant more and stricter objectives. Before you could afford to "collateral damage" three scientists, now you can only one.

And it kept that quality all the way to the second-to-last level (protect Natalya, find the best way to destroy the armored mainframes, stay alive against far superior forces). And in the last level  you got your showdown with the big boss. And then not one but three extra missions to unlock.

Did I mention the part where you can drive a tank trough Moscow crushing puny soldiers under your iron threads? Enphasis on "can", you could also go in foot, which did make you a much smaller target for the enemy anti-tank weaponry.

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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #421 on: June 27, 2012, 09:40:51 PM »
Who's ready for me to start a huge flame war?   :smirk

I didn't like N64 Goldeneye.  Perfect Dark > Goldeneye.

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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #422 on: June 27, 2012, 10:32:34 PM »
Bah. That ain't a flame war. THIS is a flame war!

I PLAYED NEITHER!  :P
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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #423 on: June 28, 2012, 12:08:02 AM »
...guise, halo invented fps

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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #424 on: June 28, 2012, 12:13:46 AM »
Who's ready for me to start a huge flame war?   :smirk

I didn't like N64 Goldeneye.  Perfect Dark > Goldeneye.

Tis' cool. I didn't like Goldeneye that much either. Perfect Dark made great use of the memory expansion.
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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #425 on: June 28, 2012, 12:52:01 AM »
Who's ready for me to start a huge flame war?   :smirk

I didn't like N64 Goldeneye.  Perfect Dark > Goldeneye.

Tis' cool. I didn't like Goldeneye that much either. Perfect Dark made great use of the memory expansion.

Perfect was what Golden eye could have been if they had worked on it more..but GE had all thsoe fun glitches lol

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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #426 on: June 28, 2012, 02:35:53 AM »
We bought Dragon's Dogma the other day. It kinda looks like Dark Souls meets Dragon Age II but without all the frustrating bits of both (better leveling, better combat). Kristie's really enjoying it, I haven't had the time to play it yet. I'm not sure if it'll fix my Dark Souls itch (by the way, totally pissed at that game but it's the only thing I want to play).

I have tomorrow off, so maybe I'll play it. Probably won't since I'll end up running errands instead.  :( Feels bad man.

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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #427 on: June 28, 2012, 04:28:20 AM »
Who's ready for me to start a huge flame war?   :smirk

I didn't like N64 Goldeneye.  Perfect Dark > Goldeneye.

Tis' cool. I didn't like Goldeneye that much either. Perfect Dark made great use of the memory expansion.

Perfect was what Golden eye could have been if they had worked on it more..but GE had all thsoe fun glitches lol

You're all excused since,you know, Perfect Dark came 3 whole years after Goldeneye by the same company, so of course it should be an improvement. I was just pointing out Goldeneye as the actual first game that forced the FPS genre to move forward from a mindless "shoot first and don't ask questions".

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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #428 on: June 28, 2012, 04:48:53 AM »
Who's ready for me to start a huge flame war?   :smirk

I didn't like N64 Goldeneye.  Perfect Dark > Goldeneye.

Tis' cool. I didn't like Goldeneye that much either. Perfect Dark made great use of the memory expansion.

Perfect was what Golden eye could have been if they had worked on it more..but GE had all thsoe fun glitches lol

You're all excused since,you know, Perfect Dark came 3 whole years after Goldeneye by the same company, so of course it should be an improvement. I was just pointing out Goldeneye as the actual first game that forced the FPS genre to move forward from a mindless "shoot first and don't ask questions".

Well, to be fair Doom had me asking a certain question a lot:  "Where's the fucking switch?!"

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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #429 on: June 28, 2012, 04:58:42 AM »
TBH the "Mindless shooting" Genre of shooters really did peak with Doom 2. And IMHO the plot based shooter peaked with Deus Ex......

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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #430 on: June 28, 2012, 05:06:26 AM »
On a completely different note, who else is practically drooling in anticipation for the Steam Summer Sale?  It should be starting any day now...
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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #431 on: June 28, 2012, 06:37:32 AM »
TBH the "Mindless shooting" Genre of shooters really did peak with Doom 2. And IMHO the plot based shooter peaked with Deus Ex......

TBH, i think System Shock 2 was better than Deus Ex, in some ways. It was more innovative, and i was somewhat disappointed not all of it came back with Bioshock. Haven't played the new Deus Ex, though.

And i don't think "Mindless Shooting" peaked with Doom 2. You had a whole bunch of new, inventive FPS that improved the idea, introducing puzzles & elements...
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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #432 on: June 28, 2012, 09:42:37 AM »
We bought Dragon's Dogma the other day. It kinda looks like Dark Souls meets Dragon Age II but without all the frustrating bits of both (better leveling, better combat). Kristie's really enjoying it, I haven't had the time to play it yet. I'm not sure if it'll fix my Dark Souls itch (by the way, totally pissed at that game but it's the only thing I want to play).

I have tomorrow off, so maybe I'll play it. Probably won't since I'll end up running errands instead.  :( Feels bad man.
Curious how that game inspires this kinda feeling in you, isn't it?
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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #433 on: June 28, 2012, 09:48:32 AM »
You guys are no fun, I was expecting some Goldeneye fanboy nerdraging!   :P

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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #434 on: June 28, 2012, 11:20:55 AM »
Who's ready for me to start a huge flame war?   :smirk

I didn't like N64 Goldeneye.  Perfect Dark > Goldeneye.

Tis' cool. I didn't like Goldeneye that much either. Perfect Dark made great use of the memory expansion.

Perfect was what Golden eye could have been if they had worked on it more..but GE had all thsoe fun glitches lol

You're all excused since,you know, Perfect Dark came 3 whole years after Goldeneye by the same company, so of course it should be an improvement. I was just pointing out Goldeneye as the actual first game that forced the FPS genre to move forward from a mindless "shoot first and don't ask questions".

GE got shoved out the door iwth a number of unfinshed bits and stuff that got taken out in order to meet it's shipping date however my favorite glitches were both the one where you could shoot stuff from your head and the glitch making explosives float..that was all kinds of fun.
The golden eye reloaded was ugh,not worthy of the name IMO, I would have perfered what they did with Perfect Dark,just port to XBLA

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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #435 on: June 29, 2012, 02:25:11 PM »
We bought Dragon's Dogma the other day. It kinda looks like Dark Souls meets Dragon Age II but without all the frustrating bits of both (better leveling, better combat). Kristie's really enjoying it, I haven't had the time to play it yet. I'm not sure if it'll fix my Dark Souls itch (by the way, totally pissed at that game but it's the only thing I want to play).

I have tomorrow off, so maybe I'll play it. Probably won't since I'll end up running errands instead.  :( Feels bad man.

Also got Dragon's Dogma here. And even though I played only around 1 hour (goddamn work  :banghead ), I have to say that it's awesome. But I'm going on vacation starting next monday, I am so gonna play this...

I'm not sure if it'll fix my Dark Souls itch (by the way, totally pissed at that game but it's the only thing I want to play).

Souls games tends to have that kind of effect on people  :rolleyes


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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #436 on: June 29, 2012, 02:59:11 PM »
GE got shoved out the door iwth a number of unfinshed bits and stuff that got taken out in order to meet it's shipping date however my favorite glitches were both the one where you could shoot stuff from your head and the glitch making explosives float..that was all kinds of fun.

My favorite Goldeneye glitch.

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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #437 on: June 29, 2012, 04:07:28 PM »
GE got shoved out the door iwth a number of unfinshed bits and stuff that got taken out in order to meet it's shipping date however my favorite glitches were both the one where you could shoot stuff from your head and the glitch making explosives float..that was all kinds of fun.

My favorite Goldeneye glitch.
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Re: Video Game dicussion
« Reply #438 on: July 13, 2012, 11:41:23 AM »
So, I have the chance to get FF XII for PS2 for roughly 10 euros, which is around 1/6 of what PS2 games usually cost. The graphics are quite good, but I've heard the gameplay is extremely boring and it plays like a MMO in the bad sense of endless grinding after endless grinding.

Anyone played it and can advise me if it's worth it for that cost?

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« Reply #439 on: July 13, 2012, 11:43:58 AM »
So, I have the chance to get FF XII for PS2 for roughly 10 euros, which is around 1/6 of what PS2 games usually cost. The graphics are quite good, but I've heard the gameplay is extremely boring and it plays like a MMO in the bad sense of endless grinding after endless grinding.

Anyone played it and can advise me if it's worth it for that cost?

I crapped out over halfway through the game.  Yeah I still crapped out, but the game wasn't bad.  I just had a really hard time caring about the story after awhile...