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Re: Awesome stuff you have to share
« Reply #460 on: August 22, 2012, 02:16:06 PM »
Oddly enough, when I did it, I got the response that my responses imply the possibility of a necessary being, with no mention of a contradiction in the analysis.

When it asks you if an event X and Y are each individually possible, if you think that if X is actual, than Y is still individually possible, what did you anwer? That's the pinch answer to make the circular argument regarding the existence of a Necessary Being. But by hard logic, if X *is* in fact actual, and if both X and Y were individually possible to begin with, and if he isn't asking you if them both are jointly possible, why would Y cease to be possible if X is factual?
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« Reply #461 on: August 22, 2012, 05:12:00 PM »
I got a logcial argument showing where I contradicted myself that consisted of 50 steps....

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Re: Awesome stuff you have to share
« Reply #462 on: August 22, 2012, 05:31:36 PM »
@Brujon

Even though it is kind of unfair at some spots it still is a fun project.And at least I think their point kind of works.

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« Reply #463 on: August 22, 2012, 06:39:53 PM »
Oddly enough, when I did it, I got the response that my responses imply the possibility of a necessary being, with no mention of a contradiction in the analysis.

When it asks you if an event X and Y are each individually possible, if you think that if X is actual, than Y is still individually possible, what did you anwer? That's the pinch answer to make the circular argument regarding the existence of a Necessary Being. But by hard logic, if X *is* in fact actual, and if both X and Y were individually possible to begin with, and if he isn't asking you if them both are jointly possible, why would Y cease to be possible if X is factual?

I haven't studied philosophy all that deeply, but the one thing I DID learn and take to heart is that there must be a correlation between X and Y in order for X and Y (or their negatives) to impact each other. Thus the impossibility of X does not imply the possibility of Y, anymore than the possibility of X implies in the possibility of Y, and so on and forth.
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Re: Awesome stuff you have to share
« Reply #465 on: August 22, 2012, 08:54:06 PM »
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That first one...  I'm practically speechless.  It is literally overwhelming my senses right now.  The girl herself, the way she was photographed, the way the guy drew her portrait in pen of all things...  Incredible.
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« Reply #466 on: August 22, 2012, 09:29:07 PM »
This seemed like the best thread for this link: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/dispatches/2010/08/the_most_isolated_man_on_the_planet.single.html

I know we have some Brazilian members; I'd be especially interested in your take(s) on that story.
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« Reply #467 on: August 22, 2012, 10:16:46 PM »
This seemed like the best thread for this link: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/dispatches/2010/08/the_most_isolated_man_on_the_planet.single.html

I know we have some Brazilian members; I'd be especially interested in your take(s) on that story.

I can buy that there's a last surviving tribe member of anything somewhere in the wild here in Brazil, but I've never heard of this story before (unsurprising as the news here tend to gravitate towards other matters). The report seems to really, really exaggerate and romanticize the actions of the Brazillian government in this regard, however...
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Re: Awesome stuff you have to share
« Reply #468 on: August 22, 2012, 11:18:28 PM »
I'm joining a casual game with my wife, her friend, and her friend's husband. He's DMing the game. So it turns out it's a combination of OD&D, 1E AD&D, and a bunch of house-rules. I just made a dwarven cleric. This is going to be interesting. I have to forget everything I know about 3E, and half of what I (barely) remember from 2E.

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« Reply #469 on: August 23, 2012, 12:12:51 AM »
This seemed like the best thread for this link: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/dispatches/2010/08/the_most_isolated_man_on_the_planet.single.html

I know we have some Brazilian members; I'd be especially interested in your take(s) on that story.

I can buy that there's a last surviving tribe member of anything somewhere in the wild here in Brazil, but I've never heard of this story before (unsurprising as the news here tend to gravitate towards other matters). The report seems to really, really exaggerate and romanticize the actions of the Brazillian government in this regard, however...

If you lived here in Brazil, you'd probably take this story with a grain of salt, as Kuro did... Not all Indians are as innocent as the media likes to portray them. A great many deal of them make deals with drug dealers to provide aircraft landing/takeoff sites for their drug running planes, they have shady deals with mining companies that do illegal mining deep into amazon forest (surprisingly enough, some amazonian regions have *EXTREMELY* rich reserves of both diamonds and uranium ore). Plus, the most common activity, by far, is the dealing with illegal lumber companies, to extract  precious mahogany wood and other very high profile trees, including latex trees. There's also the deal with foreign companies interested in researching flora & fauna unknown to biology, but don't want to pass through the extreme bureocracy involved here to actually get the permit to do so, or to in a hurry, patent a medication or even, *gasp* a plant. For every Indian chief that dies protecting his tribe from invading "civilized" man, there are at least two that deal with shady individuals. I daresay 90% of the tribes now here in Brazil are mostly cultured by know, as one will know if he visits the larger communities, where ammenities such as jeans, T-Shirts and stereos will be found. Some Indians get rich and then split off the community, leaving them in shambles while they go chill out on Copacabana or Ipanema beaches in Rio...

Theres also the matter of the Quilombolas (Escaped slaves from pre 19th century) and the Quilombos (Independent communities founded by those slaves). The matter is complicated due to the fact that most of those communities were unknown as they resided mainly in isolated areas (as there were headhunters after them), but some cities have expanded into their territory... But some shady individuals exploit this fact of there not being an official way of determining whether a location was actually a Quilombo or not to *claim* it as such, and forge it's way into proving it, claiming it's territory (which is protected by law as a cultural and historical site), which they then turn into profit by various means.

US citizens will sympathize with what i'm saying, since many Native Americans abused the fact that their reserves were not subject to taxation to build Casinos and other stuff to profit and abuse the law that was made to protect their culture.

Now you take what i say with a grain of salt, because i'm actively biased against Indians, as i see the preservation of their culture by maintaining their isolation as a idealistic and unoptimal way of utilizing territory and manpower. Indians are no innocents, and acculturing them slowly is better than just leaving them alone and leaving half the country's territory locked down to any kind of development, preventing such beneficial projects as river transportation, construction of Dams, legitimate mining & lumbering, etc... Brazil had a much better chance to become a first world superpower than 90% of the rest of the world, and yet, despite not being in any war since the Paraguai conflict (since the Brazilian involvement into WW2 was pretty minor and i do not count it), the country is behind South Korea, which was DEVASTATED, and managed in 60 years to leap ahead in a mind-boggling way.

Sometimes i just wanted the power to become the dictator of this country and just do what needs to be done, execute all corrupts, pass a law that makes corruption a crime equivalent to High Treason and put 10% of the country's Internal Product towards Education.
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Re: Awesome stuff you have to share
« Reply #470 on: August 23, 2012, 12:32:43 AM »
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US citizens will sympathize with what i'm saying, since many Native Americans abused the fact that their reserves were not subject to taxation to build Casinos and other stuff to profit and abuse the law that was made to protect their culture.
That's a point of view on the casinos I've not heard expressed, here in the USA, FYI.
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Re: Awesome stuff you have to share
« Reply #471 on: August 23, 2012, 12:44:32 AM »
its not an issue that gets much time.

many people (gambling addicts and bankers) are pretty well in favor of it continuing. (native americans are also getting into the banking industry, they can skirt some of those regulations also).
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« Reply #472 on: August 23, 2012, 04:01:39 PM »
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US citizens will sympathize with what i'm saying, since many Native Americans abused the fact that their reserves were not subject to taxation to build Casinos and other stuff to profit and abuse the law that was made to protect their culture.
That's a point of view on the casinos I've not heard expressed, here in the USA, FYI.

I have, at great length.
The issue is that the laws were put there to protect their culture, but the law is being used to protect their right to hold businesses that are anathema to their original culture.

Why does that make it funny that you haven't heard that?
Because it is a stone-cold RAW vs. RAI debate where RAW is winning due to bureaucracy ad is maintained through heavy manipulation of the laws that stand. It's real-life "you break it, you buy it".
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Re: Awesome stuff you have to share
« Reply #473 on: August 23, 2012, 04:12:39 PM »
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US citizens will sympathize with what i'm saying, since many Native Americans abused the fact that their reserves were not subject to taxation to build Casinos and other stuff to profit and abuse the law that was made to protect their culture.
That's a point of view on the casinos I've not heard expressed, here in the USA, FYI.

I have, at great length.
The issue is that the laws were put there to protect their culture, but the law is being used to protect their right to hold businesses that are anathema to their original culture.

Why does that make it funny that you haven't heard that?
Because it is a stone-cold RAW vs. RAI debate where RAW is winning due to bureaucracy ad is maintained through heavy manipulation of the laws that stand. It's real-life "you break it, you buy it".

And this is why i'm becoming a Lawyer... Hey, i already have some experience into breaking a system's rules in RPG's... What's so different on doing it IRL? One thing makes me better at the other, too...

Real life Rules Lawyer. Now that's an amusing thought.
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« Reply #474 on: August 23, 2012, 04:35:03 PM »
That's what companies are founded on today, you know....

Look at chocolate.  They can't legally say that it's chocolate unless there is actual cocoa butter in it.  So they say "chocolate flavored".
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« Reply #475 on: August 23, 2012, 09:32:07 PM »
Reminds me of a George Carlin video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X08upzdwejg

He even goes over "-flavored." "Lemon-flavored drink.  No fucking lemons!"

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« Reply #476 on: August 23, 2012, 10:31:32 PM »
That's it exactly.  There was a push back in the early 2000s headed by Nestle (but supported by others) to get chocolate flavored things to be legally called chocolate, but luckily they failed.
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« Reply #477 on: August 24, 2012, 07:19:04 AM »
America seems to have nailed it with bread though.  There is no way the shit I've bought in the US can feasibly be actual bread but for some reason its allowed to be called that.  'Baked Flour & High Fructose Corn Syrup' is what it should be called.
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« Reply #478 on: August 24, 2012, 11:48:45 AM »
And somehow, we managed to turn "Awesome Stuff" into "Small Rants".

Go us?
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Re: Awesome stuff you have to share
« Reply #479 on: August 24, 2012, 11:58:06 AM »
And somehow, we managed to turn "Awesome Stuff" into "Small Rants".

Go us?

George Carlin managed the opposite. It's only natural that the process is reversible...


EDIT: On another note. Nearly one week after the psychiatrist change my meds, things seem to be improving. So this is an awesome stuff i have to share.
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