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cheating a prc
« on: August 20, 2012, 06:26:09 PM »
I'm trying to make a new sorcerer and want to use the fiend-blooded Prc does anyone know a fast way to qualify for it?
Also are there any opinions on dropping out before the last level? The benefits are really awesome but I'm not sure if I want to lose a level of spellcasting for it
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Re: cheating a prc
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2012, 08:01:19 PM »
To get in at the earliest opportunity, you'll probably have to use a feat to gain knowledge (the planes) as a class skill. 

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Re: cheating a prc
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2012, 10:25:55 PM »
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Entry Requirements
Race: Any humanoid race (cannot already be a half-fiend)
Alignment: Any nongood alignment
Skills: Concentration 8 ranks, Knowledge (arcana) 8 ranks, Knowledge (the planes) 8 ranks
Feats: Blood Calls to Blood*, Eschew Materials
Spellcasting: Must be able to cast 2nd-level arcane spells without preparation

It looks like the skills stop you from entering before 6th level.
I think there's a trick you can use to gain 1 extra skill rank early, but I don't know if it works on 3 skills.

You could go Bard - they have all 3 skills as class skills.
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Re: cheating a prc
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2012, 11:03:50 PM »
Planar Sorcerer sub-levels in Planar Handbook add Knowledge(planes) to skill list.

... but may not be early enough?

Also Blood of Syberys (DR 351)
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Re: cheating a prc
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2012, 01:59:11 AM »
The Codex Anathema.  Lords of Madness, page 214 can help you qualify.  Combine with two feats to get an extra 1 rank in concentration.  Too expensive and not worth it IMO, but it's the earliest you can get without temporary HD abuse.

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Re: cheating a prc
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2012, 04:21:47 AM »
Combine with two feats to get an extra 1 rank in concentration.

I think the problem is that Knowledge(the planes) is not a sorcerer class skill - so by 5th level, he could have 8 ranks in the other 2, but only 4 in knowledge(planes).  He could of course take a level in something that has it as a class skill, but that means he loses a level of spell-casting, unless someone knows of a PRC that'll work -- but there's very few PRCs (if any) that you can take by 5th level.  I think Maat Mons gave the answer in the very first response - take a feat that makes it a class skill.


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Re: cheating a prc
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2012, 08:46:20 AM »
Combine with two feats to get an extra 1 rank in concentration.

I think the problem is that Knowledge(the planes) is not a sorcerer class skill - so by 5th level, he could have 8 ranks in the other 2, but only 4 in knowledge(planes).  He could of course take a level in something that has it as a class skill, but that means he loses a level of spell-casting, unless someone knows of a PRC that'll work -- but there's very few PRCs (if any) that you can take by 5th level.  I think Maat Mons gave the answer in the very first response - take a feat that makes it a class skill.

Nunkuruji gave the answer to this.. the planar sorcerer sub levels.

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Re: cheating a prc
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2012, 12:17:40 PM »
thank you guys so much this has really helped out. 
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Re: cheating a prc
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2012, 07:56:41 PM »
alright so I've run into another snag as far as optimizing goes. According to the Fiendish sorcery class feature I can take any spell as a spell known that is in illusion enchantment or necromancy or has the fire descriptor.

My question is: What are the best spells I could take both within and outside the sorcerer spell list that are 4 5 6 7 and 8th lvl spells.
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Re: cheating a prc
« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2012, 08:47:52 PM »
Death ward, delay death, and living undeath come to mind.