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Spell Storing Bows
« on: September 10, 2012, 03:09:40 AM »
Can you make a +1 Spell Storing Composite Longbow?
The Spell Storing property doesn't have a line that says "only melee weapons can be Spell Storing" like Vicious does, but neither does it have a line that says "Ranged Weapons bestow the stored spell upon ammunition" nor is Spell Storing one of the abilities on the random loot table for ranged weapons.
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Re: Spell Storing Bows
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2012, 07:38:13 AM »
Can you make a +1 Spell Storing Composite Longbow?
The Spell Storing property doesn't have a line that says "only melee weapons can be Spell Storing" like Vicious does, but neither does it have a line that says "Ranged Weapons bestow the stored spell upon ammunition" nor is Spell Storing one of the abilities on the random loot table for ranged weapons.
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Re: Spell Storing Bows
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2012, 06:34:10 PM »
You can get a Spell-storing bow, there just isn't any benefit, really.
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Re: Spell Storing Bows
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2012, 06:38:38 PM »
You can get a Spell-storing bow, there just isn't any benefit, really.

Arguably it would trigger if you hit someone with the bow rather than firing arrows out of it...

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Re: Spell Storing Bows
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2012, 12:45:10 AM »
You can get spell-storing ammunition...

Yeah. I'm gonna go with spell storing ammunition, not a bow. However, you could, in theory, have it on a Sword-Bow, but then it would only work when you had it in sword form.
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Re: Spell Storing Bows
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2012, 01:38:13 AM »
Darn.  I'd rather have it on the bow itself, just because no game I've ever played in has tracked ammunition.  Oh well.
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Re: Spell Storing Bows
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2012, 02:12:12 AM »
every game iv played we've tracked ammunition  :-\
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Re: Spell Storing Bows
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2012, 06:26:15 AM »
You can get a Spell-storing bow, there just isn't any benefit, really.

Arguably it would trigger if you hit someone with the bow rather than firing arrows out of it...
I recall some rule of bows being enchanted separately for smacking (like a club) and firing arrows. I think it was for bows in general, but it might have been for an elvencraft bow...

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Re: Spell Storing Bows
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2012, 07:59:59 AM »
You can get a Spell-storing bow, there just isn't any benefit, really.

Arguably it would trigger if you hit someone with the bow rather than firing arrows out of it...
I recall some rule of bows being enchanted separately for smacking (like a club) and firing arrows. I think it was for bows in general, but it might have been for an elvencraft bow...

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That sounds right. It was either an elvencraft bow ("Races of The Wild", p. 166), or magical properties like Swordbow (RoW, p.171)... although the text on the latter seems to imply that the magical abilities applicable to a single form of the weapon, would have to be bought at twice the normal price, but only apply to the appropriate form.

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Re: Spell Storing Bows
« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2012, 12:29:53 PM »
Spell storing ammo would be monstrously nasty though. How many spells can you shoot in a full attack?
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Re: Spell Storing Bows
« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2012, 12:58:16 PM »
Can we get a spellstoring bow with wraithstrike in it?

Or can we get splitting, spellstoring bow with wraithstrike stored? Plus shivering touch stored arrows?


not saying any of that is rules legal but makes for amusingly broken idea, take a "damage" spell, basically guarantee the arrows hit, double the number of arrows?

On a serious note would splitting effectively double the number of spells a bow "shoots"  if its a spellstoring bow and you could shoot its spell?
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Re: Spell Storing Bows
« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2012, 01:01:10 PM »
Can we get a spellstoring bow with wraithstrike in it?

Or can we get splitting, spellstoring bow with wraithstrike stored? Plus shivering touch stored arrows?


not saying any of that is rules legal but makes for amusingly broken idea, take a "damage" spell, basically guarantee the arrows hit, double the number of arrows?

On a serious note would splitting effectively double the number of spells a bow shoots if its a spellstoring bow?
Why would you want Wraithstrike in the bow? That's going to give the guy you shoot with it Wraithstrike.  :P
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Re: Spell Storing Bows
« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2012, 01:02:42 PM »
Oh hmm, yes I seem to have thought about that backwards, in which case:


Buff by shooting your frontliners in the ass with spell storing bows? Heal by quick drawing hand-crossbows with cure spells stored?

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Re: Spell Storing Bows
« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2012, 01:07:51 PM »
Oh hmm, yes I seem to have thought about that backwards, in which case:


Buff by shooting your frontliners in the ass with spell storing bows? Heal by quick drawing hand-crossbows with cure spells stored?

Would you trade 12 hp for Truestrike? Enlarge Person?
I've been in games where we did this. We called them "magical hypodermics". :P
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Re: Spell Storing Bows
« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2012, 01:16:45 PM »
If the bow/crossbow had the "Merciful" special ability that could definitely work :)

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Re: Spell Storing Bows
« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2012, 06:02:22 PM »
ARROW OF CURE LIGHT WOUNDS
When this otherwise normal +1 arrow strikes a target, it does no damage. Instead, the target is affected as if by a cure light wounds spell, which cures 1d8+1 points of damage. If such an arrow strikes an undead target, the creature is entitled to spell resistance and a Will save (DC 11) for half damage.

An arrow of cure moderate wounds cures 2d8+3 points of damage and has a save DC of 12.
An arrow of cure serious wounds cures 3d8+5 points of damage and has a save DC of 13.
An arrow of cure critical wounds cures 4d8+7 points of damage and has a save DC of 14.

Caster Level: 1st (light), 3rd (moderate), 5th (serious), 7th (critical); Prerequisites: Craft Magic Arms and Armor, cure light wounds (light), cure moderate wounds (moderate), cure serious wounds (serious), or cure critical wounds (critical); Market Price: 107 gp (light), 607 gp (moderate), 1,507 gp (serious), or 2,807 gp (critical); Cost to Create: 57 gp + 4 XP (light), 307 gp + 24 XP (moderate), 757 gp + 60 XP (serious), or 1,407 gp + 112 XP (critical).

So…
(50) Arrows of cure light wounds: 5350
Thus the curing effect is not a +1 bonus, but instead a flat 3,000 gp.

So that would be spell storing arrows +1 of cure light wounds for 7350 gp.
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