Control Weather vs area Dispel Magic

[ksbsnowowl]

If you cast an area dispel within the area of another spell, but not encompassing the point of origin, then only the area within the dispel magic affect is dispelled.

Someone casts control weather, with a radius of 2 or 3 miles, depending upon caster.  The controller causes a blizzard.  The PC's area dispel a small section to "take refuge."

What effect does this area dispel have?  It stops blowing wind and snow in the dispel area, but would they still have snow falling on them from above, or is it a "supernatural," surreal area of calm in the middle of a blizzard.

Second question; Control weather is centered on the caster (thus the area follows them for the duration, correct?).  If the weather controller's spell is dispelled in a small area as described above, and then the caster moves more than 2 miles away, such that the dispelled area is now outside the range and effects of control weather, and then the caster moves back into range, what becomes of the dispelled area?  Is it now effected by the control weather once again?

[phaedrusxy]

What effect does this area dispel have?  It stops blowing wind and snow in the dispel area, but would they still have snow falling on them from above, or is it a "supernatural," surreal area of calm in the middle of a blizzard.

The latter, I think. The spell has a duration other than instantaneous. So the snow is "magical" (disappears in an AMF, etc).

Second question; Control weather is centered on the caster (thus the area follows them for the duration, correct?).  If the weather controller's spell is dispelled in a small area as described above, and then the caster moves more than 2 miles away, such that the dispelled area is now outside the range and effects of control weather, and then the caster moves back into range, what becomes of the dispelled area?  Is it now effected by the control weather once again?

If they dispel the spell within the point of origin the entire spell is dispelled.

For each ongoing area or effect spell whose point of origin is within the area of the dispel magic spell, you can make a dispel check to dispel the spell.

For each ongoing spell whose area overlaps that of the dispel magic spell, you can make a dispel check to end the effect, but only within the overlapping area.

The bolded sentence applies to question 2, but the other applies to question 1. For question 2, the entire spell effect is dispelled.

[ksbsnowowl]

You misread question 2.  I was describing the exact same situation as the first question (some small portion, not the point of origin, is area dispelled), but asking what happens if the weather controller leaves the area, such that the area where the dispel magic happened is no longer within the area of the control weather affect (because control weather remains centered on the caster).  If at that point the weather controller returns, and the area that was dispelled is now back within the area of control weather, what happens?  Is that small area still dispelled, or is the dispel effect "over" since the spell left the area?

Alternate question: does the dispelled portion of the control weather spell remain in the same relative point to the caster, even if the caster moves (such that, if the caster walked 50 feet east, the control weather effect, including the dispelled area, all move 50 feet east as well)?  Or is the dispelled area stationary?

[phaedrusxy]

You misread question 2.  I was describing the exact same situation as the first question (some small portion, not the point of origin, is area dispelled), but asking what happens if the weather controller leaves the area, such that the area where the dispel magic happened is no longer within the area of the control weather affect (because control weather remains centered on the caster).  If at that point the weather controller returns, and the area that was dispelled is now back within the area of control weather, what happens?  Is that small area still dispelled, or is the dispel effect "over" since the spell left the area?

Alternate question: does the dispelled portion of the control weather spell remain in the same relative point to the caster, even if the caster moves (such that, if the caster walked 50 feet east, the control weather effect, including the dispelled area, all move 50 feet east as well)?  Or is the dispelled area stationary?

Ah, OK. I think:

2) It wouldn't move. The area is relative to the Dispel Magic here, not Control Weather.
1) It would still be dispelled if he left and returned. It's still the same effect, and the same area. So it is still dispelled.

[NunoM]

I'm sorry if i digress a bit from your reasoning, but i have mixed feelings about this...

I see "Control Weather" as a spell that modifies a natural environment, so it's influence is magical, but not the effect... Let me try to explain with an example: when you cast "Stone Shape", the stone changes form, but after that, the effect isn't magical.

So... IMO, the "Dispel Magic" would affect the "Control Weather" spell in that small area, yes, BUT the winds - which are not magical - wouldn't slow enough to make an impact. It would work, for example, if "Dispel Magic" was cast inside a "Blizzard" spell area, because the effect is caused entirely by magic.

If a "Control Winds" was cast in that area to calm the winds, however, that would cause the "bubble" to appear.

[phaedrusxy]

I'm sorry if i digress a bit from your reasoning, but i have mixed feelings about this...

I see "Control Weather" as a spell that modifies a natural environment, so it's influence is magical, but not the effect... Let me try to explain with an example: when you cast "Stone Shape", the stone changes form, but after that, the effect isn't magical.

Which is why Stone Shape has a duration of "instantaneous". If it had a duration of "Permanent", then the effects would be subject to Dispel Magic, being supressed in an Anti-magic Field, etc.

See here for the relevant rules:

Timed Durations

Many durations are measured in rounds, minutes, hours, or some other increment. When the time is up, the magic goes away and the spell ends.
Instantaneous

The spell energy comes and goes the instant the spell is cast, though the consequences might be long-lasting.
Permanent

The energy remains as long as the effect does. This means the spell is vulnerable to dispel magic.

and from Dispel Magic:

A dispelled spell ends as if its duration had expired.

[NunoM]

Yes, i know this about the instant effect not being able to be dispelled...

What i meant is: the wind isn't magical, like it is in a "Blizzard" spell, so it wouldn't lose it's momentum in that small dispelled area enough to be greatly affected.
I may be seeing it wrong, of course, hence the mixed feelings